From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bzr repository ready? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117463 Archived-At: > From: =C3=93scar_Fuentes > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:45:11 +0100 >=20 > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 > >> For large compiled projects such as Emacs, the use of feature br= anches > >> is not that great. First, building takes a long time. > > > > Why does the building take a long time in that case? > > > >> Second, it imposes a large penalty on those who just want to hac= k > >> some elisp. > > > > What penalty is that? >=20 > Let's suppose that you want to do some lightweight hacking on a eli= sp > component of emacs. The `feature branch' workflow says that you cre= ate a > new local branch specifically for that: >=20 > bzr branch path/to/my/local/emacs/mirror fix-bug-3429 >=20 > and then you edit the .el files. But at some point you want to test > them, and for that you need an emacs executable. Now, building emac= s is > not a fast operation even on a GNU/Linux modern desktop (let's not > mention Windows). Hence, even when you start the build right after = the > feature branch creation, it is possible that you end your modificat= ions > before the build ends. This certainly will occur often on slow GNU/= Linux > machines and even on fast Windows machines. I'm not quite sure I understand. Are you talking about bootstrap? That one indeed can take 30 minutes on Windows. But that's a one-tim= e thing; subsequent builds, when just a handful of files are modified are much faster. It's a rare feature or even a bugfix that needs onl= y one build. And its already clear that making a full-fledged branch for a simple bugfix is not the best idea. > I guess that this is yet another case of "having lots of options is > counter-producing for the uninformed". Not if the information is presented in a clear way that is relevant for the context in which it is required (in this case, Emacs development). Actually, I think I've understood enough to know what to do first whe= n we switch to bzr. About the only thing that's still not clear enough is whether to keep my bidi branch locally or on subversions. Any thoughts? > But my English is awful. There's nothing wrong, let alone awful, with your English. Thanks a lot for taking time to explain all this.