From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: ehud@unix.mvs.co.il
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Usage of standard-display-table in MSDOS
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:30:46 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <831v9km30p.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201008271335.o7RDZehv024936@beta.mvs.co.il>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:35:40 +0300
> From: "Ehud Karni" <ehud@unix.mvs.co.il>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> You missing the point that most of my files are not "word-processor"
> (or HTML/XML) files but are data file that are either read as ISO-8859-8
> or no-conversion (binary) encoding.
>
> Now, some of them has DOS Hebrew (#x80-9A) and graphic characters in
> them, in ADDITION to UNIX Hebrew (#xE0-FA). I still want to see it as
> Hebrew characters (so I can read it) but with a distinction between the
> 2 Hebrew types, I want to know the 8-bit encoding, it matters.
So you basically have files that mix different encodings of Hebrew
characters, is that right?
If so, I would suggest indeed to set up the display table, but not as
you did it in older Emacsen. What you need is to map those 8-bit
bytes to the Unicode codepoints of the corresponding Hebrew
characters. That is, let the slot of eight-bit character #xA0, which
is represented in Emacs as #x3FFFA0, be set in the display table to
#x5d0 (the Unicode codepoint of Aleph). Then you will see Aleph when
the file has #xA0, provided that you read the file with no-conversion.
> So I have to use a display table, and I want it to work for both text
> terminals and X (or other windowed system - Mac, MS - which I myself
> don't use).
If you set up the display table as I describe above, both X and text
terminals will work. For text terminals, you will need to set
terminal-coding-system to some Hebrew capable encoding that these
terminals support. For GUI displays, you need a font to be installed
that is capable of displaying Hebrew characters.
> > These graphic characters are part of Unicode as well (in the U+25XX
> > block), and Emacs 23 knows how to encode them in cp862, or any other
> > codepage that supports these characters. Try "C-x 8 RET 2525 RET" and
> > see for yourself, it has a valid cp862 encoding.
>
> What I want is just a subset of this in my display table, so bytes in
> the range #xB0-#xDF will be shown as is on text terminal and as the
> CP862 glyphs on X (I am willing to have different display tables for
> each case, I don't use text terminal and X on the same Emacs instance).
There should be no problem in using the same display table set up as
above on all types of terminals.
> I know how to do it when the locale environment is set to "en_GB".
> Can you instruct me how to do this when the locale environment is set
> to "he_IL" ?
The locale environment shouldn't have any effect on that. All it does
is set defaults for certain coding-systems. You will want to override
those defaults anyway, e.g. for using no-conversion when visiting
these files. I don't see anything else that might interfere, do you?
> Just as curiosity, some times I get files where the Hebrew is encoded
> as the lower Latin letters and Aleph is represented by @ (this is
> known as old-code and it is still used by some companies, even though
> in is some other applications already use UTF-8 XML files).
>
> Do you have a way to display it as Hebrew without a display table ?
You could write your own coding-system, but I think display tables are
easier.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-27 16:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-23 12:44 Usage of standard-display-table in MSDOS Kenichi Handa
2010-08-24 5:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-24 11:13 ` Ehud Karni
2010-08-24 16:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-25 13:04 ` Ehud Karni
2010-08-25 18:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-26 15:26 ` Ehud Karni
2010-08-26 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-27 13:35 ` Ehud Karni
2010-08-27 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2010-08-27 10:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-27 11:44 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-08-27 14:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-28 4:18 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-08-28 7:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-30 2:24 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-08-30 3:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-01 3:21 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-01 9:20 ` Ehud Karni
2010-09-01 23:33 ` Ehud Karni
2010-09-02 5:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-02 5:20 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-04 22:54 ` Ehud Karni
2010-09-06 1:30 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-02 12:32 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-04 23:32 ` Ehud Karni
2010-09-05 5:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-06 5:14 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-08-29 10:16 ` Ehud Karni
2010-08-29 11:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-29 11:49 ` Ehud Karni
2010-08-29 13:06 ` Ehud Karni
2010-08-29 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-29 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-07 21:11 ` Ehud Karni
2010-09-09 11:57 ` Kenichi Handa
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