From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9875: 24.0.90; Confusing description of the "window tree" in ELisp manual Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:43:30 +0200 Message-ID: <831utxbge5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4EA817C9.9030000@gmx.at> <83y5w7bn2r.fsf@gnu.org> <4EA929E6.9080001@gmx.at> <87y5w55zfw.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1319795120 27159 80.91.229.12 (28 Oct 2011 09:45:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9875@debbugs.gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 28 11:45:15 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJizz-0000eM-Kp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:45:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51176 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJizw-0001pE-9p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:45:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:35219) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJizu-0001p7-5W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:45:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJizs-0003by-JI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:45:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33936) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJizs-0003bp-GG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:45:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJj1h-0002tD-I0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:47:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9875 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9875-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9875.131979521811098 (code B ref 9875); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:47:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9875) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2011 09:46:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJj1d-0002sv-Oj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:46:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJj1b-0002sm-7T for 9875@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:46:56 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LTR00L00S472M00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 9875@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:43:22 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.212.197]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LTR00KDGSC9Y250@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:43:22 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87y5w55zfw.fsf@mail.jurta.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:47:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:53241 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: martin rudalics , 9875@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:04:35 +0300 > > > It is unnatural to talk about "size" or "side" of a window that > > doesn't really exist on the screen! > > FWIW, I have no problem imagining a window that doesn't really exist > on the screen. I also "have no problem" imagining that, but it requires my brain muscles to make a conscious effort each time I meet the word "window". Such efforts should not be required when reading about such a basic concept. > The only problem with these diagrams is that ASCII art > doesn't distinguish between internal and live windows: Both Texinfo and Emacs's Info reader support images for quite some time.