Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience

[Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>]

> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:30:25 +0200
> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@online.de>
> CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> Am 23.09.2013 09:07, schrieb Eli Zaretskii:
> >> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 08:03:30 +0200
> >> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@online.de>
> >>
> >> Am 23.09.2013 02:18, schrieb Lennart Borgman:
> >>> The tutorial kind of throws other keybindings than the arrow keys on the
> >>> new user. Kind of patronizing if someone asks me. ;-)
> >>
> >> Putting users first attention at that kind of matter, it also spreads a quit unjust and wrong impression WRT Emacs and it's people.
> >>
> >> That tutorial probably was okay twenty years ago.
> >> No it reads as vim's ":q" is envied, proving emacs can make it difficult too.
> >
> > When did you read it last time? also 20 years ago?
> >
> 
> 
> At the very first screen C-v is presented.
> Nowadays keyboards commonly have an own key for it, no need to bother beginners with this.
> While later, certainly, it's preferable.
> 
> Next screen tells about C-p, C-n
> That must have been changed very recently ;)

Do you always read only the first 2 pages?