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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Andreas Röhler" <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de>
Cc: 15991@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#15991: 24.3.50; Wishlist: Make test suite user-friendlier
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:33:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <831tua8ww8.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53AD40B3.3060503@easy-emacs.de>

> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 12:00:19 +0200
> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de>
> CC: 15991@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.  When a test fails,
> > don't you want to debug Emacs to understand why and find a solution?
> >
> > So yes, testing and debugging are different things, but when a test
> > fails, one frequently needs to debug Emacs.
> >
> >
> 
> That depends. IIUC it's about making it more user friendly.
> Perspective of users is different from core developers.
> 
> So if, say 10 from 100 tests fail, it doesn't mean to start a debug.
> Maybe just taking notice and look, if it matters for current task.

If someone just wants to take a look, they can do just that.  No one
is forcing them to say "make foo.log DEBUG=1" and run the foo test
under a debugger.  This is an optional feature, as should be clear
from reading the original bug report and this discussion.

> We had that matter already WRT steep learning curve.
> Keeping things apart if possible is important.

Not sure how is this related to the issue at hand.  Maybe you should
read the whole discussion.





  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-27 10:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-28 20:04 bug#15991: 24.3.50; Wishlist: Make test suite user-friendlier Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-28 20:13 ` Glenn Morris
2013-11-28 22:32   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-26  6:05 ` Glenn Morris
2014-06-26 15:08   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-26 15:20   ` Michael Albinus
2014-06-26 15:42     ` Glenn Morris
2014-06-26 15:49       ` Glenn Morris
2014-06-27  7:23         ` Michael Albinus
2014-06-27  7:50           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-27  8:57             ` Michael Albinus
2014-06-27 15:57           ` Glenn Morris
2014-06-27 18:12             ` Michael Albinus
2014-06-27 18:24               ` Michael Albinus
2014-06-28  1:13               ` Glenn Morris
2014-06-28 17:12                 ` Glenn Morris
2014-06-29 13:30                   ` Michael Albinus
2014-06-26 16:44   ` Glenn Morris
2014-06-26 16:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-26 17:00       ` Glenn Morris
2014-06-27  5:45         ` Andreas Röhler
2014-06-27  6:00           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-27 10:00             ` Andreas Röhler
2014-06-27 10:33               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2014-06-28 17:19       ` Glenn Morris
2014-06-28 17:42         ` Eli Zaretskii

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