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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: how to calculate the size of string in bytes?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 22:49:58 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <831tf0l6l5.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150818193049.GA24519@tuxteam.de>

> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:30:49 +0200
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> From:  <tomas@tuxteam.de>
> 
> I was having difficulties in understanding you

Sorry about that.  It's a complex issue to explain in a few words.

> Now I understand: Emacs's internal (raw) coding system can represent
> "characters not expressible in utf-8".

More accurately, it can represent characters outside the Unicode code
space.

And please don't call that "raw"; the internal representation of
characters used by Emacs is known as 'utf-8-emacs'.

> The function encode-coding-string passes those bytes silently
> through, outputting an invalid utf-8 sequence.

Yes.  Although in interactive functions Emacs will normally complain
and ask for a better encoding.

> So I venture the guess that when the Emacs buffer contains something
> epressible as valid utf-8, 'utf-8 and 'raw are equivalent

Yes.

> (what about combining characters?)

Emacs doesn't normalize/compose/decompose characters when it encodes
text (with a notable exception of the utf-8-hfs encoding).
Applications that want this should do that themselves, e.g. using the
facilities in ucs-normalize.el.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-18 19:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-18  9:11 how to calculate the size of string in bytes? Sam Halliday
2015-08-18 10:13 ` tomas
2015-08-18 14:37   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-18 14:45     ` tomas
2015-08-18 15:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-18 16:01         ` tomas
2015-08-18 16:35           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-18 19:30             ` tomas
2015-08-18 19:49               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-08-18 20:11                 ` tomas
2015-08-18 21:47   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-19  5:43     ` tomas
     [not found]   ` <mailman.8577.1439934462.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-19  8:57     ` Sam Halliday
2015-08-19  9:22       ` Sam Halliday
2015-08-19 19:47       ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found] ` <mailman.8504.1439892841.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-18 10:43   ` Sam Halliday
2015-08-18 11:47     ` tomas
     [not found]     ` <mailman.8510.1439898432.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-18 12:06       ` Sam Halliday
2015-08-18 14:34 ` Eli Zaretskii

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