From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com
Cc: johnw@gnu.org, angelo.graziosi@alice.it, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages'
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 18:49:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <831t8aufoe.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAdUY-JQ20MQGVF-D6ba-X09-giGc2a5uquTojPB3QtQTYyPTQ@mail.gmail.com> (message from Artur Malabarba on Wed, 17 Feb 2016 23:43:10 -0200)
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 23:43:10 -0200
> From: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com>
>
> > Angelo, would you open a bug on this matter so that we can track it properly,
> > and you'll be included on the discussion?
>
> Since nobody replied to my call for volunteers (and I sadly really can't do it now), we should probably file a bug and mark it as blocking release 25.
I don't see why this should block the release. It's a very old and
established behavior. It's okay to discuss changing it, but blocking
the release due to it certainly doesn't sound TRT to me.
> > Perhaps the experts in this area have better reasons than we've
> > heard so far.
>
> IIRC, the discussions for this feature included me, Stefan, and Thierry Volpiatto (amongst other people).
Can you point to those discussions? If you mean this one:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-01/msg00756.html
then after reading it, I'm none the wiser: I don't see the issue with
saving customizations in a separate file raised there.
I found in this thread the following part:
> > > Unfortunately whenever I install/update packages, it saves
> > > `package-selected-packages' to my customize file. This is a bit annoying as I
> > > share my config with git across multiple machines that have different packages
> > > installed.
> >
> > > While I could alter the definition of `package--save-selected-packages'
> > > myself, I'd think it would be nicer if there was a user option to toggle
> > > this behaviour. The default initialization of `all non-dependencies' seems
> > > to be what I'd always want anyway.
> >
> > This sounds like a reasonable request to me; and I sympathize with emitting
> > such generated data to a potentially user-controlled file. Maybe this data
> > could go into another file entirely?
>
> Yes, I agree. This has been requested by other people too. This variable should be saved in its own file (at a configurable location), like many other cases of persistent data in Emacs.
>
> Would someone like to do this? I won't have the time for it ATM.
This seems to be a general complaint about package.el using Custom to
save the data about installed packages. I see no arguments as to why
it's wrong to use Custom for that. After all, Custom is our standard
way of saving customizations, so it could be argued that having a
single mechanism through which to control where they are saved is
better than inventing a separate mechanism just for package.el.
> My opinion now is in agreement with yours, John, and with Angelo in that this should move to a dedicated file (though I originally thought using the custom settings was a good idea).
Please explain why you now think differently.
Thanks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-02-18 16:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-02-17 9:27 Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages' Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-17 23:05 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-18 1:04 ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-18 1:43 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-18 16:49 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-02-18 17:28 ` Colin Baxter
2016-02-18 17:35 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-02-18 18:06 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-18 18:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 20:34 ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-18 21:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 21:49 ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-19 9:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 9:47 ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-19 13:04 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-19 15:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 18:29 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-19 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 19:05 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-02-19 20:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21 23:56 ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-22 0:10 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-22 3:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 21:00 ` Bastian Beischer
2016-02-19 4:18 ` alex
2016-02-19 9:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 21:15 ` alex
2016-02-20 7:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 18:25 ` Mechanisms to persist information (Re: Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages') Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-18 18:54 ` Mechanisms to persist information Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 19:22 ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2016-02-20 2:17 ` Mechanisms to persist information (Re: Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages') John Wiegley
2016-02-20 4:44 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-02-18 18:45 ` Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages' John Wiegley
2016-02-19 4:17 ` alex
[not found] ` <vYxebPyde_BnqKsA6mXLVX-_dj3rDIchNBYl3O1LxNhGCR7etgi0R4ZR7de5PU1TZXk9R4YsCjNxqkoh5lBR3Q==@protonmail.com>
2016-02-19 9:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 22:55 ` alex
2016-02-20 8:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-05 0:40 ` alex
2016-02-18 16:19 ` raman
2016-02-18 18:55 ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-18 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-02-17 3:39 Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages'? alex
2016-02-17 4:10 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-17 10:02 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-18 16:52 ` Aaron Ecay
2016-02-17 12:43 ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-17 10:14 ` Colin Baxter
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