From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 23:03:59 +0200 Message-ID: <831t7jnz28.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <64a52598-ad53-498c-993c-67d7827dbdfc@default> <838u1uuuau.fsf@gnu.org> <878u1um2xl.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <87fuw090k7.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83y49spuxt.fsf@gnu.org> <87pov4achc.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <83r3fkpb3u.fsf@gnu.org> <87oaanctvw.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <837fhbo0lq.fsf@gnu.org> <87io0vcr51.fsf@acer.localhost.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457557452 7608 80.91.229.3 (9 Mar 2016 21:04:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 21:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ingo Lohmar Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 09 22:04:07 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adlH4-0004w8-Tf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 22:04:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44498 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adlH4-00064I-3p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 16:04:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58301) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adlGq-00063b-Hs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 16:03:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adlGl-0006ZW-QW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 16:03:52 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47238) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adlGl-0006ZS-NH; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 16:03:47 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4296 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1adlGk-0002Rm-VL; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 16:03:47 -0500 In-reply-to: <87io0vcr51.fsf@acer.localhost.com> (message from Ingo Lohmar on Wed, 09 Mar 2016 21:50:34 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201324 Archived-At: > From: Ingo Lohmar > Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 21:50:34 +0100 > > In fact, I think that your above paragraph is a much better argument to > keep Changelogs around for the time being than any arguments that have > been made in this thread alluding to their importance in the development > process. Each one of us has their own knobs that need to be pushed to drive point home. It's only natural. > >> > Find a better and more reliable way of dealing with the problems > >> > described here, and I'll be the first to agree not to reintroduce > >> > ChangeLogs. > >> > >> Several solutions to both a) and b) were proposed in this thread. > > > > Unfortunately, they don't fit the bill. See the rest of the thread > > for why. > > This blanket statement is exactly as helpful as saying that they would > work perfectly fine. I explained at length elsewhere, so the above is just a summary, not a blanket rejection.