From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#26102: movemail can't connect mail server Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:31:53 +0200 Message-ID: <831stx28ye.fsf@gnu.org> References: <76a96737-f780-00a2-9fd4-70c0e95f0101@cs.ucla.edu> <8360ja1ldi.fsf@gnu.org> <834lyu1jws.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1489635202 28813 195.159.176.226 (16 Mar 2017 03:33:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 03:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 26102@debbugs.gnu.org, hengaini2055@qq.com To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 16 04:33:13 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1coMA1-0005yn-Vl for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 04:33:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40657 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1coMA6-00052k-CB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:33:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37647) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1coM9y-00052T-FX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:33:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1coM9u-0006wO-ID for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:33:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:59613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1coM9u-0006wG-FC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:33:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1coM9u-00052p-7F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:33:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 03:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26102 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 26102-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26102.148963516519364 (code B ref 26102); Thu, 16 Mar 2017 03:33:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 26102) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Mar 2017 03:32:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57812 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1coM9d-00052F-1w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:32:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46486) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1coM9b-000521-6Z for 26102@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:32:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1coM9S-0006em-68 for 26102@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:32:38 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36279) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1coM9H-0006dF-5L; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:32:23 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2207 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1coM9F-0001ZV-TZ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:32:22 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Noam Postavsky on Wed, 15 Mar 2017 16:03:18 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:130639 Archived-At: > From: Noam Postavsky > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 16:03:18 -0400 > Cc: Glenn Morris , Paul Eggert , 26102@debbugs.gnu.org, > hengaini2055@qq.com > > > We already find movemail from Mailutils, if installed, before we find > > our own. And our movemail requires zero maintenance. In this > > situation, removing our version means just removing features, no more, > > no less. I'm against removing features for no good reason. > > Currently we release Emacs with a movemail implementation lacking the > usual features. This may confuse users, like the OP. > Is avoiding this confusion a good enough reason? That confusion wouldn't be solved by removing our movemail, because 3 out of 4 problems in OP's command will also fail the version from Mailutils, and the 4th is taken care of by Rmail, which converts the pop:// "URL" to the "po:" form when it invokes movemail.