From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#30182: Update Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 20:01:13 +0200 Message-ID: <831si0ab2u.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k1wdqc4q.fsf@gmail.com> <87efmj27d5.fsf@gmail.com> <83vafvqjbf.fsf@gnu.org> <87inbvxdz8.fsf@gmail.com> <5A65AB97.1030401@gmx.at> <87po62kk10.fsf@gmail.com> <831sih23rh.fsf@gnu.org> <5A663490.3050409@gmx.at> <87r2qh5lya.fsf@gmail.com> <5A6C37A7.2020309@gmx.at> <87r2qag5wp.fsf@gmail.com> <5A6D8947.5010207@gmx.at> <87d11t9ria.fsf@gmail.com> <5A6EF1A2.30904@gmx.at> <83lgggirzp.fsf@gnu.org> <5A702D36.6040302@gmx.at> <83po5rh3pu.fsf@gnu.org> <5A718CFA.2080408@gmx.at> <878tcdtpbk.fsf@gmail.com> <5A72DD44.3060104@gmx.at> <83lggceh9m.fsf@gnu.org> <87372jh41f.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <5A757B23.60607@gmx.at> <83d11mbc1v.fsf@gnu.org> <5A76D9F2.20805@gmx.at> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1517767237 15683 195.159.176.226 (4 Feb 2018 18:00:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 18:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, m.sujith@gmail.com, 30182@debbugs.gnu.org To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 04 19:00:33 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eiOaF-0002Rx-N5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sun, 04 Feb 2018 13:01:28 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60168) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eiObV-00006h-5n; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 13:01:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3020 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eiObU-0005MU-LS; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 13:01:25 -0500 In-reply-to: <5A76D9F2.20805@gmx.at> (message from martin rudalics on Sun, 04 Feb 2018 11:01:22 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:142894 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 11:01:22 +0100 > From: martin rudalics > CC: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, m.sujith@gmail.com, > 30182@debbugs.gnu.org > > >> In either case, an average Lisp programmer will be completely lost > >> when trying to understand process_pending_signals and gobble_input and > >> their possible implications. But maybe it is undocumentable. > > > > Why would a Lisp programmer need to understand that? It's a C-level > > problem, and should be fixed on the C level. > > I meant Lisp programmers occasionally delving into C code to > understand what's going on with their code. They probably should know > about quitting and how to inhibit it but will have no idea how input > is blocked and what consequences that has for them. Quitting is not the problem, and it shouldn't be blocked: users should be able to bail out of lengthy Lisp calculations. What should be blocked is reading X events as part of maybe_quit, in those cases where running Lisp cannot be allowed.