From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#30530: 26.0; Emacs manual: mention (1) user-reserved keys, (2) users can bind any keys Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 21:22:18 +0200 Message-ID: <831sh3y51x.fsf@gnu.org> References: <> <83lgfi4qw2.fsf@gnu.org>> <529ae5d2-b5e8-40d1-aaa6-87a76003b8bc@default> <83h8q62sgd.fsf@gnu.org>> <<87zi3y13jf.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>> <<83d10nyf4y.fsf@gnu.org>> <92c8fd97-8e96-4e2b-8706-f5ca97869912@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1519932076 3967 195.159.176.226 (1 Mar 2018 19:21:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 19:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 30530@debbugs.gnu.org, mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 01 20:21:12 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1erTlO-0000R0-NV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 20:21:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58862 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1erTnO-0001TH-70 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:23:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59012) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1erTnG-0001PY-9p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:23:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1erTnC-0007RO-F4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:23:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:60054) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1erTnC-0007RG-AM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:23:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1erTnC-0003cl-3q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:23:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 19:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30530 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 30530-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30530.151993213813880 (code B ref 30530); Thu, 01 Mar 2018 19:23:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 30530) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2018 19:22:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39718 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1erTmT-0003bn-My for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:22:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39532) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1erTmR-0003ba-Jr for 30530@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:22:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1erTmI-0006ox-PA for 30530@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:22:10 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59619) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1erTmI-0006or-LT; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:22:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4839 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1erTmI-0003do-2h; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:22:06 -0500 In-reply-to: <92c8fd97-8e96-4e2b-8706-f5ca97869912@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:31:13 -0800 (PST)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:143798 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:31:13 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 30530@debbugs.gnu.org > > The Emacs doc makes clear that these keys are reserved for users. Being reserved means that users can bind them. > Users do not need a library to instruct them to co-opt the keys for > its use. No, it's not a library that "instructs" them, it's a document that tells them they could bind these keys for their own convenience. > I'm surprised that you would endorse this. There is no > need for it, and it is not helpful. I think I'm entitled to my opinions even if you consider them unhelpful (unhelpful to what, may I wonder?).