From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What improvements would be truly useful? Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 18:52:21 +0200 Message-ID: <831sgxrvsq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87inaiss6l.fsf@web.de> <6FCF6ACA-4F29-4B6B-BE9D-D7130C6E9495@gnu.org> <87fu5moe4c.fsf@web.de> <877eqyocro.fsf@web.de> <83zi3uz4nb.fsf@gnu.org> <0b1dd3fa-e0b0-ed20-a256-dd92d1c1826f@dancol.org> <8bc3c4c7-dfc7-987a-95e7-bd309e2326c6@cs.ucla.edu> <03118DC0-39DA-4AB5-980E-A33809B9A5EE@raeburn.org> <86578165-1b41-e75c-7180-84d8edefc44b@grinta.net> <83o9k2s4xw.fsf@gnu.org> <65dafef7-3e1f-ba67-6717-c369033533a3@grinta.net> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1520355061 23953 195.159.176.226 (6 Mar 2018 16:51:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 16:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniele Nicolodi Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 06 17:50:57 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1etFnU-0003mW-Px for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 17:50:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56895 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etFpX-0001oP-EP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 11:52:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42865) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etFpJ-0001kV-CR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 11:52:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etFpI-0001mL-5I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 11:52:33 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51181) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etFpI-0001m5-1L; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 11:52:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1919 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1etFpH-00070S-Fu; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 11:52:31 -0500 In-reply-to: <65dafef7-3e1f-ba67-6717-c369033533a3@grinta.net> (message from Daniele Nicolodi on Mon, 5 Mar 2018 23:32:28 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223344 Archived-At: > From: Daniele Nicolodi > Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 23:32:28 -0700 > > I'm far from being familiar with the Emacs codebase thus I may be > reporting something that it is not completely true, however: Emacs was > born as a console only application, the graphical user interface seems > to be duct taped on. I object to the "duct taped" derogation, and invite you to study the relevant code before you form your opinions. Besides, Emacs still supports text-mode terminals, and moreover, supports text-mode and GUI frames in the same session (a very important feature), so some degree of compatibility to a console is still a requirement. > Also, GTK support seems a bit of an hack that > requires layering violations (reaching down to the X primitives) to > work. Being GTK the only modern toolkit supported on Linux (as far as I > know) and the only way to get nartive Wayland support, some radical > cleanup in that area would probably be a good thing. It's true that GTK support was added in a not very clean way, but I don't think we can throw away support for the other toolkits just yet, because they are still being used.