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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Documenting buffer display
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:27:11 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <831s8hu6i8.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5BCE21AC.6030904@gmx.at> (message from martin rudalics on Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:14:52 +0200)

> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:14:52 +0200
> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
> CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
>  >> While this would be appropriate for 'switch-to-buffer-other-window' it
>  >> may be wrong for 'pop-to-buffer-same-window' as soon as the user has
>  >> customized 'display-buffer-alist'.  We can't avoid the garden path of
>  >> 'display-buffer' here and elsewhere.
>  >
>  > I don't think we cannot avoid it, we just need to qualify what I wrote
>  > with the "not customized" caveat.  Nothing a single sentence couldn't
>  > fix.
> 
> Trevor Murphy on emacs-devel
> 
>    I just noticed that `find-dired' and friends use `switch-to-buffer' as
>    a subroutine.  Since this does not go through the `display-buffer'
>    mechanism, it’s really hard for me to control where Emacs displays the
>    Find buffer.  I’m currently advising `find-dired' to use
>    `pop-to-buffer' instead.
> 
> to which Stefan replied
> 
>    There's pop-to-buffer-same-window.
> 
> Which means that people want 'pop-to-buffer-same-window' instead
> because they can customize it to display the buffer in _another_
> window.

I must be missing something: using pop-to-buffer-SAME-window to
display a buffer in ANOTHER window?  How can that make sense?

> Which further means that a "not customized" caveat would be
> counterproductive here.

All I meant was to add something like "by default" to the doc string.
I don't see how that could be wrong, all Stefan's advice
notwithstanding.

We shouldn't shoot ourselves in the foot by being afraid that complex
enough customizations could invalidate the documentation.

> Any explanation of what 'pop-to-buffer-same-window' does without
> referring the reader to 'display-buffer' is misleading, at the very
> least.

I obviously disagree, as I did just that, and I object calling the
current text "misleading".



  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-22 19:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-20 12:20 Documenting buffer display martin rudalics
2018-10-20 13:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-20 18:02   ` martin rudalics
2018-10-21 12:56     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-22  9:06       ` martin rudalics
2018-10-22 13:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-22 19:14           ` martin rudalics
2018-10-22 19:27             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2018-10-23  8:58               ` martin rudalics
2018-10-23 11:26                 ` Pierre-Yves Luyten
2018-10-23 13:45                   ` martin rudalics
2018-10-23 17:40                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-23 14:04                 ` Drew Adams
2018-10-23 18:18                   ` martin rudalics
2018-10-23 15:18                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-23 18:23                   ` martin rudalics
2018-10-23 19:07                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24  9:44                       ` martin rudalics
2018-10-24 14:48                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 17:40                           ` martin rudalics
2018-10-24 18:25                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-25 20:42                             ` Juri Linkov
2018-10-23 15:52                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-23 18:25                   ` martin rudalics
2018-11-08 19:25                   ` martin rudalics
2018-10-22  1:39   ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2018-10-22  5:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-20 15:22 ` Drew Adams
2018-10-20 18:02   ` martin rudalics
2018-10-20 18:24     ` Drew Adams
2018-10-21  8:22       ` martin rudalics
2018-11-04  9:06 ` martin rudalics

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