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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Mattias Engdegård" <mattiase@acm.org>
Cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de, 35418@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#35418: [PATCH] Don't poll auto-revert files that use notification
Date: Sat, 04 May 2019 12:04:28 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <831s1emvz7.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6b722334f6eaddcbbf3def636b5181c9439a172c.camel@acm.org> (message from Mattias Engdegård on Fri, 03 May 2019 16:47:51 +0200)

> From: Mattias Engdegård <mattiase@acm.org>
> Cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de, 35418@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 03 May 2019 16:47:51 +0200
> 
> > It is better to cite the node names in the log, unless doing that is
> > completely impractical.
> 
> Done. I found it a bit impractical in this case, but did so anyway.

Thanks, but why did you start the description of the change on a new
line?  Here:

> * doc/emacs/files.texi
> (Files): Adjust menu.
> (Reverting, Auto Revert):
> Add node `Auto Revert' and move general information on that topic there
> from `Reverting'.
> Sort paragraphs in `Auto Revert' in a rough least-to-most specific order.
> Include the old `Autorevert' text and subsections into that node when
> building the on-line manual.
> (Autorevert): Remove.

This should be formatted like this (indented 2 spaces for clarity):

  * doc/emacs/files.texi (Files): Adjust menu.
  (Reverting, Auto Revert): Add node `Auto Revert' and move general
  information on that topic there from `Reverting'.  Sort paragraphs
  in `Auto Revert' in a rough least-to-most specific order.  Include
  the old `Autorevert' text and subsections into that node when
  building the on-line manual.
  (Autorevert): Remove.

IOW, only when you describe changes to another node you should start
on a new line.  The above is the formatting produced by "C-x 4 a" and
its ilk.

> > > -@node Autorevert
> > > -@section Auto Reverting Non-File Buffers
> > > +@c The including file must provide its own @node and @section
> > > lines.
> > 
> > So maybe we shouldn't remove the @node here?  How about making it a
> > subsection of "Auto Revert" instead?
> 
> The text in arevert-xtra has two subsections already. Then we would
> have three subsections, where the first acts as a sort of prelude to
> the two others. That might work for the on-line manual, but how would
> it fit into emacs-xtra? What would the section be then?

No, I meant make "Autorevert" (under its new name) a subsection of
"Auto Revert", and the 2 subsections of "Autorevert" sub-subsections.
Or did I misunderstand the problem you were describing?

> > >  periodically even when file notifications are used.  Such polling
> > > is
> > >  usually unnecessary, and turning it off may save power by relying
> > > on
> >    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > I would say "unnecessary in many cases".  "usually" begs the question
> > why by default we do poll.  Bonus points for adding some hint about
> > what rare situations do need such polling, as I think this
> > description
> > sounds like a small riddle without that, and doesn't allow people to
> > make an educated decision regarding whether they do or don't want the
> > polling turned off.
> 
> Done, but the hint you are asking for does come right after:
> 
>   [...] However,
>   notification is ineffective on certain file systems; mainly network
>   file system on Unix-like machines, where files can be altered from
>   other machines.

Yes, but that hint doesn't mention the polling.  I think it's
important to tell that polling is needed in these rare cases.

Thanks.





  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-04  9:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-24 18:14 bug#35418: [PATCH] Don't poll auto-revert files that use notification Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-24 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-24 19:36   ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-26 20:46     ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-27  9:40       ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-27 16:28         ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-25  9:56   ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-25 10:04     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 18:07       ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-27  9:27       ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-27  9:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-27 10:23           ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-27 16:19         ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-27 16:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-28 10:21             ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-29  7:53               ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-29 11:06                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-29 12:18                   ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-29 16:24                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-29 18:29                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-29 20:17                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-30  3:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-30 11:41                           ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-30 12:59                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-30 13:56                               ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-30 14:19                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-29 16:23                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-29 19:21                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-29 19:56                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-30 21:09                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-01 17:45                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-01 19:41                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-02 12:18                           ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-02 12:53                             ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-02 13:02                               ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-03 12:00                                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-03 13:44                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 14:47                                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-04  9:04                                   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-05-04 11:21                                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-04 13:41                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04 16:53                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-04 17:08                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04 18:50                                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-04 19:43                                           ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-04 20:31                                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-04 20:46                                               ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-05  8:22                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-05  9:58                                                   ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-08  8:34                                                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-08  8:47                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-08 10:18                                                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-08 10:58                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-08 11:48                                                             ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-08 12:35                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-08 12:58                                                                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-08 13:09                                                                   ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-08 13:28                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-08 14:13                                                                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-08 17:24                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-08 18:17                                                                         ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-09 11:50                                                               ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-10 15:22                                                                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-12  8:48                                                                   ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-12 19:49                                                                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-13 13:35                                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-14 12:41                                                                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-14 14:52                                                                           ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-08 10:23                                                       ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-09 10:00                                                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-09 10:48                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-09 11:15                                                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-10  9:49                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-10 12:27                                                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-10 12:43                                                           ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-13 11:34                                                             ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-13 15:08                                                               ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-18 17:39                                                                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-19  9:12                                                                   ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-19 20:25                                                                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-05-20  7:30                                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-20 19:19                                                                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-29  7:19           ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-29 11:54             ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-29 12:26               ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-29 18:58                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-29 20:04                   ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-30 15:14                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-24 19:59 ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-25  9:58   ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-25 11:04     ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-25 15:22       ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-04-30  1:03 ` Zhang Haijun
2019-04-30  7:06   ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-01  2:17     ` Zhang Haijun
2019-05-01  2:59       ` Zhang Haijun
2019-05-01  3:10         ` Zhang Haijun
2019-05-02 12:30           ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-02 13:24             ` Zhang Haijun
2019-05-02 12:28         ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-02 12:24       ` Michael Albinus

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