From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: van@scratch.space, 36454@debbugs.gnu.org,
mrsebastianurban@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org
Subject: bug#36454: 26.2.90; feature request - Insert char by hex tab completion or C-x 8 RET ffe <TAB>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:57:55 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <831rymul58.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9ad40946-43b5-440c-958d-35da10ab2669@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:38:40 +0000 (UTC))
> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:38:40 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: mrsebastianurban@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, van@scratch.space,
> 36454@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> > Completion is a very poor means for discovery and browsing.
> [...]
> 2. I disagree that it is true. I would suggest/guess
> that you just don't have sufficient experience with
> a better completion UI than that offered by `emacs -Q'.
> Ask users of Ivy or Helm whether they use completion
> that way.
Since this feature is proposed for core Emacs, we are by definition
talking about "emacs -Q", not about Ivy or Helm. The latter have
infrastructure on which to build the feature you want without any
changes in core.
> > it can be used for that, but with very low efficiency and user-friendliness.
>
> That's too big a generalization to be helpful in this
> discussion.
Generalizations are sometimes useful tools for making decisions and
getting one's point across.
> > So we should not judge the need for completion by considering any use
> > cases other than just completion, i.e. finding a specific character or
> > a small group of related characters.
>
> Need? How about value and usefulness?
Indeed, I think it would be useless, even harmful.
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2019-07-19 14:38 ` bug#36454: 26.2.90; feature request - Insert char by hex tab completion or C-x 8 RET ffe <TAB> Drew Adams
2019-07-19 14:57 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
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2019-07-19 15:30 ` Drew Adams
2019-07-19 20:12 ` Sebastian Urban
2019-07-20 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-20 13:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-20 14:36 ` Sebastian Urban
2019-07-20 15:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-07-19 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 23:07 ` Richard Stallman
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2019-07-18 16:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-01 2:39 VanL
2019-07-08 22:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-15 8:34 ` Sebastian Urban
2019-07-15 16:03 ` Drew Adams
2019-07-15 18:59 ` Sebastian Urban
2019-07-15 19:29 ` Drew Adams
2019-07-17 17:20 ` Sebastian Urban
2019-07-17 21:34 ` Drew Adams
2019-07-18 9:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
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