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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: van@scratch.space, 36454@debbugs.gnu.org,
	mrsebastianurban@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org
Subject: bug#36454: 26.2.90; feature request - Insert char by hex tab completion or C-x 8 RET ffe <TAB>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:57:55 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <831rymul58.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9ad40946-43b5-440c-958d-35da10ab2669@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:38:40 +0000 (UTC))

> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:38:40 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: mrsebastianurban@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, van@scratch.space,
>         36454@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > Completion is a very poor means for discovery and browsing.
> [...]
> 2. I disagree that it is true.  I would suggest/guess
>    that you just don't have sufficient experience with
>    a better completion UI than that offered by `emacs -Q'.
>    Ask users of Ivy or Helm whether they use completion
>    that way.

Since this feature is proposed for core Emacs, we are by definition
talking about "emacs -Q", not about Ivy or Helm.  The latter have
infrastructure on which to build the feature you want without any
changes in core.

> > it can be used for that, but with very low efficiency and user-friendliness.
> 
> That's too big a generalization to be helpful in this
> discussion.

Generalizations are sometimes useful tools for making decisions and
getting one's point across.

> > So we should not judge the need for completion by considering any use
> > cases other than just completion, i.e. finding a specific character or
> > a small group of related characters.
> 
> Need?  How about value and usefulness?

Indeed, I think it would be useless, even harmful.





  reply	other threads:[~2019-07-19 14:57 UTC|newest]

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2019-07-19 14:38                         ` bug#36454: 26.2.90; feature request - Insert char by hex tab completion or C-x 8 RET ffe <TAB> Drew Adams
2019-07-19 14:57                           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
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2019-07-20 16:35                                   ` Drew Adams
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2019-07-19 15:30                             ` Drew Adams
2019-07-19 20:12                               ` Sebastian Urban
2019-07-20  7:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-20 13:28                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-20 14:36                                   ` Sebastian Urban
2019-07-20 15:54                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-07-18 20:44                     ` Drew Adams
2019-07-19  6:41                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 23:07                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-07-20  8:04                           ` VanL
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2019-07-18 16:15                 ` Drew Adams
2019-07-18 16:53                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-01  2:39 VanL
2019-07-08 22:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-15  8:34   ` Sebastian Urban
2019-07-15 16:03     ` Drew Adams
2019-07-15 18:59       ` Sebastian Urban
2019-07-15 19:29         ` Drew Adams
2019-07-17 17:20           ` Sebastian Urban
2019-07-17 21:34             ` Drew Adams
2019-07-18  9:50               ` Eli Zaretskii

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