From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: etc/HELLO: On Chinese and Cantonese Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 09:56:13 +0300 Message-ID: <831rhpl9bm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87mu0e3giu.fsf@posteo.net> <83wnzil7ki.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22879"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: matthewzmd@posteo.net, ksqsf@mail.ustc.edu.cn, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 23 08:57:53 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kVr1N-0005rW-IH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 08:57:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54434 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVr1M-0004Uf-Hq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 02:57:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57464) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVr0F-00043L-Lf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 02:56:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60531) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVr0B-0007Om-2V; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 02:56:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3805 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kVr02-0006l4-4F; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 02:56:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 22 Oct 2020 23:41:10 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258329 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, matthewzmd@posteo.net, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, ksqsf@mail.ustc.edu.cn > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 23:41:10 -0400 > > > AFAIR, there are some non-trivial aspects here, some of them political > > and even ideological. There's PRC and there's ROC (a.k.a. Taiwan), > > and I'm not sure what will each group say about the proposed changes. > > I have contacts in Taiwan who can tell us. Thanks, that could be useful. But I'd like to reiterate what I said earlier: I would only remove my objections for changing this part of HELLO if I hear from a representative enough group of native Chinese speakers from both sides of the divide that some change will be acceptable to them, and cause no controversies on either side. With all due respect, people who voiced their opinions in this matter till now cannot be considered such a group. In particular, none of them stated his/her country of origin and current place of living, nor the cultural group to which he or she belongs, which makes judging the opinions harder. (We could also decide that this issue is too unimportant to waste energy on it, but given the past experience, I don't really count on that happening.)