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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org>
Cc: 53749@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com,
	dfussner@googlemail.com
Subject: bug#53749: 29.0.50; [PATCH] Xref backend for TeX buffers
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 09:10:06 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <831qf1mgjl.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2c5c8afa-b57e-3156-d21c-5523cacb4d87@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Thu, 14 Sep 2023 02:59:33 +0300)

> Cc: 53749@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
>  Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 02:59:33 +0300
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
> 
> On 13/09/2023 20:01, David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the 
> Swiss army knife of text editors wrote:
> 
> >> These won't be affected either way, right? Because project-find-regexp
> >> defaults its input to (thing-at-point 'symbol t), and isearch...
> >> probably also uses "symbol" if you ask it to.
> >>
> >> So... why not just make tex-thingatpt-include-escape a boolean? What
> >> commands need to be distinguished that way? I think 'find-tag' (it's
> >> obsolete but still used sometimes) would need to obey this var as well.
> > 
> > xref-find-apropos and xref-find-references don't work well (or at all)
> > with the escape char included in the search string, so I was keeping
> > that char away from them. (The buffer-local variables I manipulate for
> > project-find-regexp and isearch-forward-thing-at-point have to do with
> > ensuring they use the texsymbol thing in the first place -- see
> > tex--symbol-or-texsymbol.) Does that make sense?
> 
> Hmm, I suppose I skipped over that part of the patch too quickly.
> 
> Here's a potential problem with replacing the notion of "symbol": some 
> other existing code (also working with TeX/LaTeX) might disagree, as it 
> might have some existing notion of what a "symbol" in those modes is (as 
> defined by the syntax table).
> 
> In general, we change the notion of a symbol by either changing the 
> mode's syntax table, or by augmenting its effect using 
> syntax-propertize-function (which, for example, could propertize the 
> backslashes inside the buffer as "symbol constituent"). The latter might 
> actually be a change that would affect how 'M-x xref-find-references' 
> works (it will likely start to consider those \tags as symbol 
> occurrences together with the backslash). But like other changes of what 
> is considered to be a "symbol" in a major mode, it could conflict with 
> existing code.
> 
> Anyway, I'm not saying you have to change the approach, but that's 
> something to be aware of.
> 
> And to look at it from another direction: if the default implementation 
> of xref-find-references (and etags uses the very generic one) doesn't 
> work for you, perhaps it would be worth it to define a TeX-specific Xref 
> backend. That would perhaps take 20-30 lines of code total, most of them 
> delegating to the etags backend, or the default impl. But while 
> delegating, you can modify the passed argument - e.g. if it included a 
> backslash, you could forward it to the default impl for "find 
> references" without a backslash. Or - alternatively - call 
> (project-find-regexp "...") with a more complex regexp of your choice. 
> The first alternative could look like this:
> 
>    (cl-defmethod xref-backend-references ((_backend (eql 'tex-etags)) 
> identifier)
>      (xref-backend-references 'etags (string-remove-prefix "\\" 
> identifier)))
> 
> > I'll look at find-tag, too; thanks for pointing that out.
> 
> Doing the above choice on the level of Xref backend's methods 
> would/should automatically make it work for all commands appropriately.
> 
> >> Why not set the variable find-tag-default-function instead? That seems
> >> easier and more appropriate to do inside a major mode function.
> > 
> > I settled on putting the symbol on the modes because I thought it was
> > simpler than setting the variable buffer-locally in all the in-tree
> > and AUCTeX modes, but I'll revisit this and see whether I can come up
> > with something better.
> 
> Do AUCTeX modes inherit from tex-mode? Or all call 
> tex-common-initialization? Then you could set that variable locally 
> inside that function once.
> 
> All in all, it might not be wise to modify the behavior of third-party 
> packages from inside Emacs this way (they might have other expectations, 
> or there's going to appear a new major mode that needs the same 
> treatment anyway).
> 
> Setting a variable to be used through mode inheritance or delegation is 
> fine, but if that doesn't help, I would probably stop at defining a 
> helper function or two and documenting how it should be used. And then 
> maybe work with AUCTeX people to get the remaining necessary changes in 
> from their side (or just leaving that up to the user, depending on how 
> functional the default config ends up being).

I think we should add Stefan and Tassilo (CCed) to this discussion, as
they might have valuable comments about this.





  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-14  6:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-03 15:09 bug#53749: 29.0.50; [PATCH] Xref backend for TeX buffers David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-02-21  2:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-02-21  9:48   ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-02-21 17:28     ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-02-21 23:56       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-02-22 15:19         ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-02-23  2:21           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-02-23 10:45             ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-02-24  2:23               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-02-24 13:15                 ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-02-21 23:55     ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-09-08 13:25   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-08 13:34     ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-08 13:39       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-08 15:50         ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-03  9:08           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-03 10:03             ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-03 10:46               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-13 11:10                 ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-13 13:42                   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-13 15:23                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-13 17:01                     ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-13 23:59                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-14  6:10                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-09-15 18:45                           ` Tassilo Horn
2023-09-16  5:53                             ` Ikumi Keita
2023-09-17  8:49                               ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-22 13:06                                 ` Arash Esbati
2024-04-22 14:56                                   ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-22 16:15                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-22 16:37                                       ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-22 17:16                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-22 17:25                                           ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-24  0:09                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-04-24  9:02                                             ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-23 12:04                                     ` Arash Esbati
2024-04-23 13:21                                       ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-29 14:15                                   ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-02  0:43                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-05-02 13:32                                       ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-03 13:42                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-07  2:27                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-05-09  3:00                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-05-09  6:38                                               ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-09 10:49                                               ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-13 20:54                                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-14 21:24                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-05-16 18:18                                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-20  0:21                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-05-20  2:38                                                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-25  7:57                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-25 23:01                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-05-07  2:06                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-05-02  6:47                                     ` Arash Esbati
2024-05-02 13:34                                       ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-03 14:10                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-04  8:26                                       ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-04 14:32                                       ` Arash Esbati
2024-05-04 14:54                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-04 21:15                                           ` Arash Esbati
2024-05-07 13:15                                       ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-15 15:47                                       ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-16  7:53                                         ` Arash Esbati
2024-05-16 12:56                                           ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-14 16:11                         ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-14 23:55                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-15  6:47                             ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-13 19:16                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-13 20:25                       ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-14  5:14                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-21 12:35 ` Arash Esbati
2022-02-21 14:03   ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-02-25 20:16 ` Augusto Stoffel
2022-02-26  9:29   ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-02-26 10:56     ` Augusto Stoffel
2022-02-27 18:42       ` Arash Esbati
2022-02-28  9:09         ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-02-28 11:54           ` Arash Esbati
2022-02-28 13:11             ` Augusto Stoffel
2022-02-28 19:04               ` Arash Esbati
2022-03-01  8:46                 ` David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-02-28 13:05           ` Augusto Stoffel

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