From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 22:15:31 +0300 Message-ID: <831qded0do.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <831qdlpoye.fsf@gnu.org> <83sf5xhnym.fsf@gnu.org> <871qdhk49w.fsf@dataswamp.org> <25914.49745.111873.734458@orion.rgrjr.com> <87jzr6iutu.fsf@dataswamp.org> <834jiad1gd.fsf@gnu.org> <87cywyimz2.fsf@dataswamp.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31921"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 28 21:16:19 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qwonC-000866-7b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 21:16:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwomr-00018I-Lb; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 15:15:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwomo-000132-0q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 15:15:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwomm-0007mR-P9; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 15:15:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=+Uk6uwn95rz/H9IA6gQgtIxaXqWzuL0hrssidxNzuwE=; b=feMvuatHXIjQ L73KXRVG644chUuI8AoHBt5ln/zYRO88Pxp8dpYS2IEIwrMn78nLd5bsZ+U0WL/W+qr7BQ32aBOGq iEqbzqQzXoLHps0RInz3uXQWCtXqBqHcRXWWSi8ZsvOxk/Dfugcx8dSRkUCeSyRVEf7KZnomR2QKh pXlDeOnJR+6cXJ0wNdioeafun8mkoKTTHPVcbvju7vG4DBt4jCvDdAwxshqfEQWmLr9xkMIWiBh8y ut5z8gUM5LEAqWFp3QThiAn3q9HU/Z30mV/UiAIX31VRyxY2z6JLllgeRj1jgsFhfVeep6AYQSOfv 7KLWCduq9jRlVIRvKvpn0Q==; In-Reply-To: <87cywyimz2.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Sat, 28 Oct 2023 21:08:33 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311964 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 21:08:33 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> $ grep -E -h -o 'cl-[-a-z]*' **/*.el | sort | uniq -c | sort -r -b -n | > >> head -n 10 > >> > >> 1416 cl-defmethod > >> 979 cl-loop > >> 720 cl-incf > >> 614 cl-lib > >> 486 cl-assert > >> 309 cl-letf > >> 303 cl-seq > >> 281 cl-defstruct > >> 257 cl-defgeneric > >> 227 cl-case > > > > Some of these are macros in cl-macs, so not relevant to the > > discussion about cl-lib. > > It is everything, remove the last 'head -n 10' to get it. What I wrote is valid even without 'head -n 10'. My point is that this kind of list is not useful for this discussion.