From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18844: Trunk: typing in minibuffer gets spuriously echoed in mode line Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <83108ea9-6a27-4d71-baef-28eb17774f15@default> References: <20141026155332.GB4397@acm.acm> <87mw8iddn4.fsf@violet.siamics.net> <8dc436e5-4075-44e3-bc54-09ee4e8a0faf@default> <86mw8hetf5.fsf@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1414423831 26960 80.91.229.3 (27 Oct 2014 15:30:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 18844@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 27 16:30:24 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XimFT-0000jm-IJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:30:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34385 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XimFT-0006UX-4k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:30:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57436) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XimBR-0007Ph-0C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:26:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XimBH-0007Ta-Ek for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:26:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44734) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XimBH-0007TV-C2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:26:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XimBG-0003mk-SA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:26:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18844 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 18844-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18844.141442354414519 (code B ref 18844); Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:26:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18844) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Oct 2014 15:25:44 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36832 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XimAx-0003m6-Lf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:25:44 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:19633) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XimAs-0003lm-U8 for 18844@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:25:40 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s9RFPWBR020391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:25:32 GMT Original-Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s9RFPVli012671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:25:31 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s9RFPUY3012649; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:25:30 GMT In-Reply-To: <86mw8hetf5.fsf@yandex.ru> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:95157 > > That gets rid of it; thanks. Please turn this OFF by default. >=20 > It's a great feature, please keep it on. Even if you, as one user, think it is a great feature, why should it suddenly be *on by default*. > We've seen some votes in favor of it already too. If it annoys the > majority of users, we'll see a lot more of dissenting voices. *Seen some votes* means nothing. Not seeing "a lot more" dissenting voices means nothing also. > And Emacs trunk is a good place to experiment with new features, > which won't necesarily make it into release. People can experiment with new features without Emacs turning them on by default. And that is generally what is done. > > Let those who want to try it turn it on and experiment with it. > > Maybe after a few years we can discuss whether it merits being > > turned on by default, if many people clearly are using it at > > that point. Turning it on now without discussion is premature > > and anti-user/community. >=20 > Nobody really has to use it for a few years to decide if they like > it or not.=20 Right. But a user deciding whether s?he likes it or not is not what this is about, is it? You are requesting that this be turned for *all* users, by *default*. > And there's no need for a years-long discussion about it > either, it's not that big a feature. It's not that big a feature =3D> don't turn it on by default.