From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Network Security Manager merge time? Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:04:53 +0100 Organization: not if I can help it Message-ID: <82egsyqm2y.fsf@oracle.com> References: <82r3wzxfp5.fsf@oracle.com> <82egszx92i.fsf@oracle.com> <827fyrx8eg.fsf@oracle.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416475099 10606 80.91.229.3 (20 Nov 2014 09:18:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:18:19 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 20 10:18:13 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XrNsR-0005Mg-Eo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:18:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34267 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XrNsR-0002NB-0t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 04:18:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38654) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XrNsH-0002MQ-IA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 04:18:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XrNsA-0004Im-NB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 04:18:01 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:49482) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XrNhB-0007iL-EG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 04:06:33 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XrNh8-0000Kv-8X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:06:30 +0100 Original-Received: from vav06-1-78-207-202-9.fbx.proxad.net ([78.207.202.9]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:06:30 +0100 Original-Received: from rpluim by vav06-1-78-207-202-9.fbx.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:06:30 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 12 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: vav06-1-78-207-202-9.fbx.proxad.net Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.51 (cygwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:q9PB5BV0kucXgzP6eRQutVvpndQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:177860 Archived-At: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> It will upgrade via STARTTLS to encrypted automatically. This is true. Given the news about various ISPs removing 'STARTTLS' from server capabilities, I've now moved over to using nntps directly. Whilst that is easy to set up (once you read the manual :-) ) I do wonder if it would be helpful to inform users that using nntps might be an option when their connection is upgraded? Perhaps even offer to switch their connection method to nntp-open-tls-stream for them? Robert