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From: Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net>
To: drew.adams@oracle.com
Cc: ams@gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	philipk@posteo.net
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: cond* vs pcase
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 14:08:59 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <822c332c-1a85-4454-8978-0b1491981058@alphapapa.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR10MB5488FBA45DA4AC634791B577F3462@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

> It says, in effect, "This just tests the
> value for simple equality (using this or
> that equality predicate)."  It speaks
> quietly, humbly, clearly. >
> `pcase' advertises instead: "Here come the
> Big Guns, which can wrestle _anything_ to
> the ground!  Stand in awe and wonder."

CL-CASE and PCASE neither say nor advertise anything.  They have no 
personal qualities.  They are macros, not people.

   (pcase foo
     ('bar (do-some-bar-stuff))
     ('baz (do-some-baz-fluff)))

is not more awful or wonderful than:

   (cl-case foo
     (bar (do-some-bar-stuff))
     (baz (do-some-baz-fluff)))

And neither of them is worse than what they expand to:

   (cond ((eql foo 'bar)
          (do-some-bar-stuff))
         ((eql foo 'baz)
          (do-some-baz-fluff)))

Nor is this:

   (pcase foo
     (1 'ONE)
     (2 'TWO)
     ((cl-type function) (funcall foo))
     (_ 'SOMETHING-ELSE))

any worse than what it expands to:

   (cond ((eql foo 1)
          'ONE)
         ((eql foo 2)
          'TWO)
         ((cl-typep foo 'function)
          (funcall foo))
         (t
          'SOMETHING-ELSE))

That example is not even a case of pattern-matching, as no patterns are 
involved.

But if one needed to add a pattern, as in the common case of a 
customization option having various possible value types, one may easily 
do so, as in:

   (pcase foo
     (1 'ONE)
     (2 'TWO)
     ((cl-type function) (funcall foo))
     (`(,fn . ,arg) (funcall fn arg))
     (_ 'SOMETHING-ELSE))

I cannot fathom how this optionally available "power" is a problem which 
should consign PCASE to only exceptional cases, any more than Lisp's 
power should consign it to only a few libraries, leaving the rest to be 
implemented in lower-level languages; or any more than Emacs's power 
should consign it to only a few use cases, leaving the the rest to be 
implemented in utilities to be piped together in a shell.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-06 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-05 14:30 cond* vs pcase Arthur Miller
2024-02-05 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-05 16:06 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-05 18:39   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-06 12:30     ` Arthur Miller
2024-02-06 16:17     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-06 16:35       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-06 16:50       ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-06 17:27         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-06 18:57           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-06 19:04             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-06 19:39               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-06 23:17                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-06 19:12             ` Drew Adams
2024-02-06 20:08               ` Adam Porter [this message]
2024-02-06 23:32                 ` Drew Adams
2024-02-07 13:14                   ` Arthur Miller
2024-02-07 13:43                     ` Po Lu
2024-02-07 17:09                       ` Drew Adams
2024-02-07 17:44                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-02-09  3:52                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-07 18:00                       ` Arthur Miller
2024-02-07 18:22                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-08  1:55                           ` Po Lu
2024-02-08  2:49                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-08  3:36                               ` Po Lu
2024-02-08  7:04                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 17:01                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-08 17:01                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-09  1:30                               ` Po Lu
2024-02-08  5:01                         ` Po Lu
     [not found]                           ` <DU2PR02MB10109B7AC39F995BFE266EF5396442@DU2PR02MB10109.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
2024-02-08  7:36                             ` Sv: " Arthur Miller
2024-02-12 21:39                       ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2024-02-07 17:14                     ` Drew Adams
2024-02-07  5:32             ` Yuri Khan
2024-02-07 12:43               ` Arthur Miller
2024-02-07 17:41                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-07 18:36                   ` Arthur Miller
2024-02-07 19:12                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-07 21:20                       ` Arthur Miller
2024-02-06 17:29         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-06 17:41           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-06 17:50         ` Thierry Volpiatto
2024-02-06 19:04           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-07 15:03           ` Barry Fishman
2024-02-07 17:22             ` [External] : " Drew Adams

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