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From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Please don't refer to Emacs as "open source"
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:11:35 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <81d3if8gpc.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87hb7rlmjt.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:56:54 +0900")


assert(advocacy != tyranny)

Much of your argument seems to be focussed on what Dr. Carver would
do. You would have a stronger argument if Dr. Carver *actually* ended up
relegating the emphasis on "Free Software" to the margins. This fact can
be verified only after the publication of the results and if the report
is made publicly accessible.

From what I see, Richard's polite and assertive refusal strongly
influenced Dr. Carver in to recognizing or atleast understanding the
subtle difference between "Free Software" and "Open Source".

Richard as a the "original owner" Emacs of the the moral authority to
assert and advice non-cooperation from like-minded friends and it may
not include you.

Btw, I am sure you would have read JS Mill's arguments On Liberty and
Utilitarianism. I will always buy the argument that Liberty (that
includes Liberty to make mistakes and Liberty to give shape to one's
passions - contrary to accepted societal norms) always results in
increasing the "sum total of overall goodness" than the true
"Utilitarianism" will ever manage to accomplish. Only that path of
Liberty is not for the fickle minded.

Much of the world is mistaken in to thinking that Utilitarianism and
Liberty are one and the same. I can only say that it is merely a black
magic.

ps: I am trying to understand where all this hatred to Richard's
advocacy comes from. Atleast in emacs-devel it sounds like an outright
civil war. Had this been a list which doesn't understand what Liberty
is, your mails (which I find is always confrontational) would end up
being filtered right at the point of distribution. Sorry if I am
provoking you.

Jambunathan K.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-06-15 11:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-13 17:04 Participation Requested: Survey about Open-Source Software Development Jeffrey Carver
2011-06-13 19:59 ` Please don't refer to Emacs as "open source" Richard Stallman
2011-06-14  3:24   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-14 16:00     ` opensourcesurvey
2011-06-14 22:42       ` Karl Fogel
2011-06-15 23:35         ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-14 23:48     ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-15  4:56       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-15 10:14         ` David Kastrup
2011-06-15 10:51           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-06-15 11:00             ` David Kastrup
2011-06-15 16:55           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-15 11:41         ` Jambunathan K [this message]
2011-06-15 11:54           ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-06-15 12:52             ` Jambunathan K
2011-06-15 13:19               ` Jambunathan K
2011-06-15 13:26                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-06-15 14:06                 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-06-15 15:23                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-06-15 23:36             ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-15 19:28           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-15 23:35         ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-16  4:22           ` Miles Bader
2011-06-16  5:10             ` Paul Eggert
2011-06-16  5:19               ` Miles Bader
2011-06-16 16:59                 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2011-06-16 20:11               ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-18  1:02                 ` Miles Bader
2011-06-16 16:16           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-16 16:41             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-16 17:26             ` David Kastrup
2011-06-17  6:09               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-17  8:21                 ` David Kastrup
2011-06-17 10:17                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-17 15:29                     ` David Kastrup
2011-06-17 20:13                       ` Andreas Röhler
2011-06-17 20:37                       ` Jambunathan K
2011-06-17 20:59                         ` Glenn Morris
2011-06-19 14:33                       ` Yet another generic "free" vs. "open source" thread Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-17 20:56                     ` Please don't refer to Emacs as "open source" Jambunathan K
2011-06-17 21:27                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-06-18 11:36                   ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-17 10:16                 ` Jambunathan K
2011-06-17 15:33                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-06-17 19:06                     ` Jambunathan K
2011-06-17 19:41                     ` Jambunathan K
2011-06-17 23:21                     ` PJ Weisberg
2011-06-19 11:47                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-19 19:51               ` dired "dwim" mode seems to fail now Randal L. Schwartz
2011-06-19 23:58                 ` whda
2011-06-20  1:19                   ` Tim Cross
2011-06-21 15:49                     ` Randal L. Schwartz
2011-06-20  9:00                   ` martin rudalics
2011-06-20 23:37                     ` whda
2011-06-17 12:06             ` Please don't refer to Emacs as "open source" Richard Stallman
2011-06-19 13:49               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-20 21:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-16  0:54         ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-16  4:23           ` Miles Bader
2011-06-16  5:54             ` David Kastrup
2011-06-16  6:50               ` Miles Bader
2011-06-14  4:51   ` Deniz Dogan
2011-06-15  8:26   ` Antoine Levitt
2011-06-15 11:41     ` Sean Sieger
2011-06-15 12:11       ` Antoine Levitt
2011-06-15 13:47         ` Sean Sieger
2011-06-15 14:18           ` Antoine Levitt
2011-06-15 23:36             ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-16  4:34               ` Miles Bader
2011-06-16  5:47                 ` Jambunathan K
2011-06-16 20:11                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-15 13:59         ` Jambunathan K
2011-06-15 14:55           ` Antoine Levitt
2011-06-15 23:36         ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-16  6:04           ` Andreas Röhler
2011-06-16  6:36             ` Jambunathan K
2011-06-16  8:17               ` Andreas Röhler
2011-06-16  9:57               ` cp
2011-06-16 10:40                 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-06-16 14:24                   ` David Kastrup
2011-06-16 16:35                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
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