From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unicode 11.0 added a special Copyleft symbol Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 18:01:33 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <81bc3c80-a58c-adda-ada8-b8e761348287@cs.ucla.edu> References: <83muw8vsf3.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528938032 493 195.159.176.226 (14 Jun 2018 01:00:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 01:00:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 To: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 14 03:00:28 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fTGci-0008Qb-A5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 03:00:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37542 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fTGeo-0000mA-KF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:02:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45257) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fTGdv-0000m2-Al for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:01:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fTGds-0000DO-9J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:01:39 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:42476) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fTGds-0000D1-0P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:01:36 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B10E1607B5; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 18:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id tWF1dy_zeABy; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43D0160CC1; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id V7qeU9oARx-z; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 869E21607B5; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=eggert@cs.ucla.edu; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBEyAcmQBEADAAyH2xoTu7ppG5D3a8FMZEon74dCvc4+q1XA2J2tBy2pwaTqfhpxxdGA9 Jj50UJ3PD4bSUEgN8tLZ0san47l5XTAFLi2456ciSl5m8sKaHlGdt9XmAAtmXqeZVIYX/UFS 96fDzf4xhEmm/y7LbYEPQdUdxu47xA5KhTYp5bltF3WYDz1Ygd7gx07Auwp7iw7eNvnoDTAl KAl8KYDZzbDNCQGEbpY3efZIvPdeI+FWQN4W+kghy+P6au6PrIIhYraeua7XDdb2LS1en3Ss mE3QjqfRqI/A2ue8JMwsvXe/WK38Ezs6x74iTaqI3AFH6ilAhDqpMnd/msSESNFt76DiO1ZK QMr9amVPknjfPmJISqdhgB1DlEdw34sROf6V8mZw0xfqT6PKE46LcFefzs0kbg4GORf8vjG2 Sf1tk5eU8MBiyN/bZ03bKNjNYMpODDQQwuP84kYLkX2wBxxMAhBxwbDVZudzxDZJ1C2VXujC OJVxq2kljBM9ETYuUGqd75AW2LXrLw6+MuIsHFAYAgRr7+KcwDgBAfwhPBYX34nSSiHlmLC+ KaHLeCLF5ZI2vKm3HEeCTtlOg7xZEONgwzL+fdKo+D6SoC8RRxJKs8a3sVfI4t6CnrQzvJbB n6gxdgCu5i29J1QCYrCYvql2UyFPAK+do99/1jOXT4m2836j1wARAQABzSBQYXVsIEVnZ2Vy dCA8ZWdnZXJ0QGNzLnVjbGEuZWR1PsLBfgQTAQIAKAUCTIByZAIbAwUJEswDAAYLCQgHAwIG FQgCCQoLBBYCAwECH In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226311 Archived-At: On 06/11/2018 07:28 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > The law is there to express an*intention* that needs to be interpreted > in the specific context where it is applied, and in the context of > a mostly ASCII file, a "(C) together with a year and a name, appearing > where copyright notices often appear"*is* a copyright sign. I would love it if judges followed common sense like that. Alas, they=20 don't always, and it's generally better to play it safe rather than=20 assume that a judge will follow one's own interpretation. Under US law=20 it's pretty clear that "Copyright (C) 2018 Foo" is a valid copyright=20 notice even though the "(C)" is legally immaterial. In other countries=20 it might not be so clear. And even in the US, plain "(C) 2018 Foo" is a=20 bit dubious; why tempt fate? Although almost every country nowadays follows the Berne convention so=20 notice is not required to obtain copyright, notice is still legally=20 helpful (it might help plaintiffs get increased damages, say), and if=20 you want that legal help the most bulletproof notice internationally is=20 "=C2=A92018 Foo".