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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321190 Archived-At: On 02/07/2024 09:50, Juri Linkov wrote: >>> Thus, I don't think I see any compelling reason not to go ahead with >>> this change. I would propose that we now start discussing the specifics >>> of how to go about doing that (patches, proposed alternative solutions). >> How's this? >> >> +@kindex C-x 4 LEFT >> +@kindex C-x 4 RIGHT >> +@kindex C-x 4 UP >> +@kindex C-x 4 DOWN > I can't believe someone might want to use such long key sequences > for one of the most frequent actions. It's even longer than > 'C-x o' it's supposed to improve. I think there are no better keys > for switching windows than arrows with a modifier. I'm going to ask a dangerous question: do people use the existing bindings for "C-x " and "C-x "?