From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please don't refer to Emacs as "open source" Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:22:42 +0530 Message-ID: <811uyv8det.fsf@gmail.com> References: <010001cc29eb$fc806cb0$f5814610$@cs.ua.edu> <87vcw9ksdd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87hb7rlmjt.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <81d3if8gpc.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1308142416 14327 80.91.229.12 (15 Jun 2011 12:53:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 15 14:53:30 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWpb8-0000qD-2Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:53:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50130 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWpb7-00068G-4X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:53:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:36829) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWpao-00067A-74 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:53:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWpai-0006Px-Uh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:53:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pv0-f169.google.com ([74.125.83.169]:65101) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWpai-0006Ph-7S; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:53:04 -0400 Original-Received: by pvc12 with SMTP id 12so311904pvc.0 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:53:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-followup-to :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=f3EG84gHw/jYTPcjBqVQaCoJr5BUkVy2uwFz2O2seDs=; b=B6uYydHvSgKd4U5l41cKR1JoCIY6YC7PcrzPrWOyOXLV59xgc8me8dntD2miAQvmMB 0Tt0QQb963anwhYLNVIXPWsDTTRDfbYljsRcyAbbBPmtpffYpelz+2wVBKNeHE7YSvQI iaz/pq62R+6I1uEV48RJy6GJ9PBZGLcJPCqUY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-followup-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=uebQabd23UMKtouRMdxxHHfXzzipFk4tvZ+ShupTzD/Fd3Fx6822zKkAmnBE1sNOyL fO7Ih2QuILh2zoxCBSzTBx4/zFzkSyvVyT5QWkn4WcC8NBNGMDBaMeHx1V/kmxsBubXO XCTlCBc2jS75CnDwa9IyNs/AxoqHWy1/tPJwE= Original-Received: by 10.68.27.138 with SMTP id t10mr199997pbg.245.1308142382410; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([115.184.74.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm283025pbk.61.2011.06.15.05.52.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Mail-Followup-To: Juanma Barranquero , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:54:45 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (windows-nt) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 74.125.83.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140493 Archived-At: Juanma Barranquero writes: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 13:41, Jambunathan K wro= te: > >> ps: I am trying to understand where all this hatred to Richard's >> advocacy comes from. Atleast in emacs-devel it sounds like an outright >> civil war. > > I don't think there's any hatred to Richard's advocacy.=20 Ok. > But at the moment he talks of "our collaboration" he's making the > mistake of believing that Instead of saying "making the mistake" I would have rather used "he is hoping that his arguments and position are (atleast) being heard and considered. How can any person listen when he is talking?". > everyone who collaborates in free software does so motivated by the > goals of the free software movement.=20=20 > It's quite possible to collaborate with Emacs (for example) just > because you want a better Emacs for your own selfish reasons. I will take it from others and make it better for my own self =3D=3D=3D> Selfishness I will take it from others, make it better and pay it forward =3D=3D=3D> !Selfishness.=20 The latter position transcends Selfishness and is a pragmatic stand favoring Sustainability. The Devil wants everything free. But once it jumps in to the GPL bandwagon, it is as though the devil has surrendered itself to be baptized. Btw, Many of the Buddhist meditation centers operate on the "pay it forward" model and have sustained themselves for thousands of years. We may not agree with or follow Richard's idealistic view but that doesn't mean that we should argue against him. Let's support his position in the little way we can and show the naysayers their place. That's all I want to say. Let me summarize. Juanma, you and I are not only selfish but we have "paid it forward". That makes us "not selfish". Jambunathan K. > > =A0 =A0 Juanma > > --=20