From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Accessible "building from source" instructions Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 13:08:26 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <811385e1-1f72-bdcf-7126-e25ce5578d28@cs.ucla.edu> References: <68d37166-3abf-c5a5-7220-be3b4a2294d1@yandex.ru> <3a823822-394c-4761-dd4a-fa7353107346@cs.ucla.edu> <83k1ed2s0g.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="100244"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Cc: Emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 26 22:08:48 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hUzRn-000PvF-6F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 May 2019 22:08:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33532 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUzRl-0006cP-M8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 May 2019 16:08:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47507) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUzRc-0006bz-QA for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 May 2019 16:08:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUzRZ-0005fL-Ph for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 May 2019 16:08:36 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:46986) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUzRZ-0005eV-L5; Sun, 26 May 2019 16:08:33 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA2D161A75; Sun, 26 May 2019 13:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id anfi0X50MmBn; Sun, 26 May 2019 13:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6C3161BEE; Sun, 26 May 2019 13:08:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id G5syrk98qhJN; Sun, 26 May 2019 13:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (cpe-23-242-74-103.socal.res.rr.com [23.242.74.103]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 40E7C161BF2; Sun, 26 May 2019 13:08:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83k1ed2s0g.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:237021 Archived-At: > CVS has an Info manual, quite a good one. Yes, and since I had forgotten most of CVS, I went to that manual yesterday when I updated the GNU Emacs web pages. The manual wasn't useful for me. I guess it's designed for someone who either (a) doesn't know version control and needs a tutorial on the topic, or (b) already knows CVS reasonably well but needs to know more. I fall into neither category, and I daresay most developers nowadays are in the same camp as me. Yesterday I solved my problem in the usual way: I used a search engine and found a cheat sheet somewhere. From my point of view the CVS manual is an interesting historical artifact, but not helpful now. And I write this as a former contributor to and partisan of CVS. It's a bit of an embarrassment to the GNU project that savannah.gnu.org still requires the use of CVS. It's long been past time to move on.