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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225220 Archived-At: Sound cool and should save a keystroke WRT dired-jump and friends. May you post the code? On 10.05.2018 02:46, net june wrote: > I have a command my-rename-file for my own use for long time. It does > thing as following: > 1. When run with no prefix arg, rename the the visiting file in its > directory, prompting for new name（read-string） with the old name as > init input. > 2. in 1, if user input an empty string, delete the file on disk. > 3. when run with prefix arg, rename the visiting file to anywhere user > choose, prompting for new file path（read-file-name） > > 获取 Outlook for Android > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Emacs-devel on > behalf of Andreas Röhler > *Sent:* Monday, May 7, 2018 11:29:50 PM > *To:* emacs-devel@gnu.org > *Subject:* Re: Rename, delete and move current buffer and file > > > On 07.05.2018 15:58, Jarosław Rzeszótko wrote: >> It is surprisingly hard to do this in Emacs, and I think it is a common >> problem, as evidenced by e.g.: >> >> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/384284/how-do-i-rename-an-open-file-in-emacs >> http://emacsredux.com/blog/2013/05/04/rename-file-and-buffer/ >> http://rejeep.github.io/emacs/elisp/2010/03/26/rename-file-and-buffer-in-emacs.html >> >> You can use dired, but I personally find it to be a distraction for this >> use case. >> >> There is set-visited-file-name, but: >> a) it creates a copy of the file by default >> b) the name is not intuitive and I doubt many people looking to rename a >> file will find it >> c) the best UI/UX is IMO different for different use cases, rename is >> different from move >> >> A very similar related pain point is that it is hard to get the path and >> directory of the current buffers visited file. There exist ways to do >> it, but this is a pair of related use cases and the handling is >> completely different: for the path you have default-directory, an elisp >> variable, and pwd, a command capable of displaying the path in >> minibuffer or yanking it at point. For file name I am only aware of the >> elisp function: buffer-file-name. Again, two closely related use cases, >> handled very differently, I by now looked those up like 10 times and >> every time I forget how to get this info because the names are so far >> from what you would expect. >> >> How can we fix or improve those issues? >> >> For rename/delete/move I would create three distinct commands: >> rename-visited-file-with-buffer >> move-visited-file-with-buffer >> delete-visited-file-with-buffer >> >> Those names make the functions easy to discover if you are using >> something like ivy or ido for M-x, while they are still precise from the >> standpoint of Emacs concepts. It seems good to me to separate rename, >> which should prefill the minibuffer prompt with the current name, and >> ask only for a new filename, WITHOUT directory selection, from move, >> which should prompt for a full new path, WITH directory selection. >> >> For the current buffers file and directory name, I think aliasing >> default-directory as visited-file-name-directory, and introducing >> visited-file-name is one option. Another option: introduce >> buffer-directory-name as a complement to the existing buffer-file-name >> function. That would cleanup the elisp part, and then at least the names >> are something you can remember, and with M-: you can kill, insert or >> display those. >> >> Question remains how to fix those things also on an user interface >> level. I think it's a pity clicking on the filename in the modeline >> changes the current buffer, I am happy to hear if I am mistaken, but >> today this behavior is rather unexpected and I would be very surprised >> to see somebody switching buffers this way. On the other hand it looks >> like a nice place for a menu where all the operations mentioned could be >> triggered (rename, move and delete file+buffer, display/kill/insert >> directory name or file name). Providing default key bindings under a >> common prefix for them could be nice too. >> >> Maybe someone has some more, or better, ideas for this. >> >> Finally, while we are discussing functions everyone re-implements in >> their .emacs, please lets make transpose-windows happen as an Emacs >> builtin :) >> >> Cheers, >> Jarosław Rzeszótko > > > Good question. > > My workflow is the following: > > [(control a)]         ;; Store the buffer-name in kill-ring, code see below > [(control x) (d)]     ;; dired, commonly the wanted working dir > [(control s)(meta y)] ;; yank the buffer-name as argument to >                       ;; isearch-forward > [(control c) (w)]     ;; or M-x wdired-change-to-wdired-mode RET > >                        ;; then edit, save. > > (defun puffername-an-car-killring () >    "Store buffer-name at first place in ‘kill-ring’." >    (interactive) >    (let* ((name-raw (split-string (buffer-name) "<")) >          (name (car name-raw))) >      (kill-new name) >      (message "%s" name))) > > Best, > Andreas >