From: "Andreas Röhler" <andreas.roehler@online.de>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: net june <netjune@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: Rename, delete and move current buffer and file
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 08:26:56 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <81031169-8e1d-48b6-9501-1f371a30aff2@online.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SINPR04MB177448C258B696A043C9D9B2B7980@SINPR04MB1774.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Sound cool and should save a keystroke WRT dired-jump and friends.
May you post the code?
On 10.05.2018 02:46, net june wrote:
> I have a command my-rename-file for my own use for long time. It does
> thing as following:
> 1. When run with no prefix arg, rename the the visiting file in its
> directory, prompting for new name(read-string) with the old name as
> init input.
> 2. in 1, if user input an empty string, delete the file on disk.
> 3. when run with prefix arg, rename the visiting file to anywhere user
> choose, prompting for new file path(read-file-name)
>
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Emacs-devel <emacs-devel-bounces+netjune=outlook.com@gnu.org> on
> behalf of Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@online.de>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 7, 2018 11:29:50 PM
> *To:* emacs-devel@gnu.org
> *Subject:* Re: Rename, delete and move current buffer and file
>
>
> On 07.05.2018 15:58, Jarosław Rzeszótko wrote:
>> It is surprisingly hard to do this in Emacs, and I think it is a common
>> problem, as evidenced by e.g.:
>>
>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/384284/how-do-i-rename-an-open-file-in-emacs
>> http://emacsredux.com/blog/2013/05/04/rename-file-and-buffer/
>> http://rejeep.github.io/emacs/elisp/2010/03/26/rename-file-and-buffer-in-emacs.html
>>
>> You can use dired, but I personally find it to be a distraction for this
>> use case.
>>
>> There is set-visited-file-name, but:
>> a) it creates a copy of the file by default
>> b) the name is not intuitive and I doubt many people looking to rename a
>> file will find it
>> c) the best UI/UX is IMO different for different use cases, rename is
>> different from move
>>
>> A very similar related pain point is that it is hard to get the path and
>> directory of the current buffers visited file. There exist ways to do
>> it, but this is a pair of related use cases and the handling is
>> completely different: for the path you have default-directory, an elisp
>> variable, and pwd, a command capable of displaying the path in
>> minibuffer or yanking it at point. For file name I am only aware of the
>> elisp function: buffer-file-name. Again, two closely related use cases,
>> handled very differently, I by now looked those up like 10 times and
>> every time I forget how to get this info because the names are so far
>> from what you would expect.
>>
>> How can we fix or improve those issues?
>>
>> For rename/delete/move I would create three distinct commands:
>> rename-visited-file-with-buffer
>> move-visited-file-with-buffer
>> delete-visited-file-with-buffer
>>
>> Those names make the functions easy to discover if you are using
>> something like ivy or ido for M-x, while they are still precise from the
>> standpoint of Emacs concepts. It seems good to me to separate rename,
>> which should prefill the minibuffer prompt with the current name, and
>> ask only for a new filename, WITHOUT directory selection, from move,
>> which should prompt for a full new path, WITH directory selection.
>>
>> For the current buffers file and directory name, I think aliasing
>> default-directory as visited-file-name-directory, and introducing
>> visited-file-name is one option. Another option: introduce
>> buffer-directory-name as a complement to the existing buffer-file-name
>> function. That would cleanup the elisp part, and then at least the names
>> are something you can remember, and with M-: you can kill, insert or
>> display those.
>>
>> Question remains how to fix those things also on an user interface
>> level. I think it's a pity clicking on the filename in the modeline
>> changes the current buffer, I am happy to hear if I am mistaken, but
>> today this behavior is rather unexpected and I would be very surprised
>> to see somebody switching buffers this way. On the other hand it looks
>> like a nice place for a menu where all the operations mentioned could be
>> triggered (rename, move and delete file+buffer, display/kill/insert
>> directory name or file name). Providing default key bindings under a
>> common prefix for them could be nice too.
>>
>> Maybe someone has some more, or better, ideas for this.
>>
>> Finally, while we are discussing functions everyone re-implements in
>> their .emacs, please lets make transpose-windows happen as an Emacs
>> builtin :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jarosław Rzeszótko
>
>
> Good question.
>
> My workflow is the following:
>
> [(control a)] ;; Store the buffer-name in kill-ring, code see below
> [(control x) (d)] ;; dired, commonly the wanted working dir
> [(control s)(meta y)] ;; yank the buffer-name as argument to
> ;; isearch-forward
> [(control c) (w)] ;; or M-x wdired-change-to-wdired-mode RET
>
> ;; then edit, save.
>
> (defun puffername-an-car-killring ()
> "Store buffer-name at first place in ‘kill-ring’."
> (interactive)
> (let* ((name-raw (split-string (buffer-name) "<"))
> (name (car name-raw)))
> (kill-new name)
> (message "%s" name)))
>
> Best,
> Andreas
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-05-11 6:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-07 13:58 Rename, delete and move current buffer and file Jarosław Rzeszótko
2018-05-07 14:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-07 16:20 ` Jarosław Rzeszótko
2018-05-07 17:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-07 17:47 ` Jarosław Rzeszótko
2018-05-08 1:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-08 7:05 ` Jarosław Rzeszótko
2018-05-09 12:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-09 18:12 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-05-09 22:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-10 17:01 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-05-10 21:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-11 7:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-11 15:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-11 15:45 ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-11 16:06 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-05-11 16:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-09 23:50 ` Van L
2018-05-10 5:37 ` Jarosław Rzeszótko
2018-05-10 13:18 ` Van L
2018-05-10 8:20 ` Amit Ramon
2018-05-10 8:59 ` Phil Sainty
2018-05-10 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-07 18:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 1:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-07 15:28 ` Yuri Khan
2018-05-07 16:20 ` Jarosław Rzeszótko
2018-05-09 11:46 ` Tino Calancha
2018-05-07 15:29 ` Andreas Röhler
2018-05-07 15:38 ` Andreas Röhler
2018-05-10 0:46 ` net june
2018-05-11 6:26 ` Andreas Röhler [this message]
2018-05-11 16:10 ` net june
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