From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vincent_Bela=EFche?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.orgmode Subject: Re: Alinea filling (hanlding of explicit line-breaks) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:30:46 +0100 Message-ID: <80oc6e5mnt.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1297719074 28376 80.91.229.12 (14 Feb 2011 21:31:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vincent_Bela=EFche?= , Stefan Monnier To: Org mode , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 14 22:31:09 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp60h-0004iz-Pr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:31:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48832 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pp60c-0004Ub-VA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:31:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38497 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pp60V-0004UA-Rf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:30:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp60U-0006xB-98 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:30:55 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp07.smtpout.orange.fr ([80.12.242.129]:23709 helo=smtp.smtpout.orange.fr) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp60T-0006wv-W5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:30:54 -0500 Original-Received: from CHOUNEK ([92.139.230.211]) by mwinf5d14 with ME id 7xWo1g0044aJoCC03xWoiD; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:30:52 +0100 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110214-0, 14/02/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-Received-From: 80.12.242.129 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:136024 gmane.emacs.orgmode:37700 Archived-At: Hi, Good to see that I am not the only one needing that sort of things. Maybe an example is better to explain what I need, imagine that I have the following two paragraphs: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- aaa a aaa a aaa aaaaa aaaa a aaaa aaaa aaaaa aaaa aaa aaaaa aa aaaaa aaa aaaa aaa aa aaaa a aaaaa aaaaa aa aaaa aaaaa aaaa aaaaa aaaa aaa aaaa aaaaa aa a aaaaa aa aaaaa aaa aa aa aaa a aa aaaaa aaaa aaaa aaa aaaa aaaa a aaa aaa aaaaa aaaa aaa aaaaa aaaa aaaaa aaa aaa aaaa aaaaa a aaaa a aa aaaaa aaa aa a aaaa aaa a a aaa aaaa aaaaa aaaaa a aaaaa aaaa aaaaa aa aaa aaaa aaaa aaa aa a aaaaa aaaaa aaa aaa aaaaa aa aaaaa aa aaa aaaaa aaaaa\\ bbb b bbb b bbb bbbbb bbbb b bbbb bbbb bbbbb bbbb bbb bbbbb bb bbbbb bbb bbbb bbb bb bbbb b bbbbb bbbbb bb bbbb bbbbb bbbb bbbbb bbbb bbb bbbb bbbbb bb b bbbbb bb bbbbb bbb bb bb bbb b bb bbbbb bbbb bbbb bbb bbbb bbbb b bbb bbb bbbbb bbbb bbb bbbbb bbbb bbbbb bbb bbb bbbb bbbbb b bbbb b bb bbbbb bbb bb b bbbb bbb b b bbb bbbb bbbbb bbbbb b bbbbb bbbb bbbbb bb bbb bbbb bbbb bbb bb b bbbbb bbbbb bbb bbb bbbbb bb bbbbb bb bbb bbbbb bbbbb ccc c ccc c ccc ccccc cccc c cccc cccc ccccc cccc ccc ccccc cc ccccc ccc cccc ccc cc cccc c ccccc ccccc cc cccc ccccc cccc ccccc cccc ccc cccc ccccc cc c ccccc cc ccccc ccc cc cc ccc c cc ccccc cccc cccc ccc cccc cccc c ccc ccc ccccc cccc ccc ccccc cccc ccccc ccc ccc cccc ccccc c cccc c cc ccccc ccc cc c cccc ccc c c ccc cccc ccccc ccccc c ccccc cccc ccccc cc ccc cccc cccc ccc cc c ccccc ccccc ccc ccc ccccc cc ccccc cc ccc ccccc ccccc\\ ddd d ddd d ddd ddddd dddd d dddd dddd ddddd dddd ddd ddddd dd ddddd ddd dddd ddd dd dddd d ddddd ddddd dd dddd ddddd dddd ddddd dddd ddd dddd ddddd dd d ddddd dd ddddd ddd dd dd ddd d dd ddddd dddd dddd ddd dddd dddd d ddd ddd ddddd dddd ddd ddddd dddd ddddd ddd ddd dddd ddddd d dddd d dd ddddd ddd dd d dddd ddd d d ddd dddd ddddd ddddd d ddddd dddd ddddd dd ddd dddd dddd ddd dd d ddddd ddddd ddd ddd ddddd dd ddddd dd ddd ddddd ddddd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- after filling I wish that it would become ----------------------------------------------------------------------- aaa a aaa a aaa aaaaa aaaa a aaaa aaaa aaaaa aaaa aaa aaaaa aa aaaaa aaa aaaa aaa aa aaaa a aaaaa aaaaa aa aaaa aaaaa aaaa aaaaa aaaa aaa aaaa aaaaa aa a aaaaa aa aaaaa aaa aa aa aaa a aa aaaaa aaaa aaaa aaa aaaa aaaa a aaa aaa aaaaa aaaa aaa aaaaa aaaa aaaaa aaa aaa aaaa aaaaa a aaaa a aa aaaaa aaa aa a aaaa aaa a a aaa aaaa aaaaa aaaaa a aaaaa aaaa aaaaa aa aaa aaaa aaaa aaa aa a aaaaa aaaaa aaa aaa aaaaa aa aaaaa aa aaa aaaaa aaaaa\\ bbb b bbb b bbb bbbbb bbbb b bbbb bbbb bbbbb bbbb bbb bbbbb bb bbbbb bbb bbbb bbb bb bbbb b bbbbb bbbbb bb bbbb bbbbb bbbb bbbbb bbbb bbb bbbb bbbbb bb b bbbbb bb bbbbb bbb bb bb bbb b bb bbbbb bbbb bbbb bbb bbbb bbbb b bbb bbb bbbbb bbbb bbb bbbbb bbbb bbbbb bbb bbb bbbb bbbbb b bbbb b bb bbbbb bbb bb b bbbb bbb b b bbb bbbb bbbbb bbbbb b bbbbb bbbb bbbbb bb bbb bbbb bbbb bbb bb b bbbbb bbbbb bbb bbb bbbbb bb bbbbb bb bbb bbbbb bbbbb ccc c ccc c ccc ccccc cccc c cccc cccc ccccc cccc ccc ccccc cc ccccc ccc cccc ccc cc cccc c ccccc ccccc cc cccc ccccc cccc ccccc cccc ccc cccc ccccc cc c ccccc cc ccccc ccc cc cc ccc c cc ccccc cccc cccc ccc cccc cccc c ccc ccc ccccc cccc ccc ccccc cccc ccccc ccc ccc cccc ccccc c cccc c cc ccccc ccc cc c cccc ccc c c ccc cccc ccccc ccccc c ccccc cccc ccccc cc ccc cccc cccc ccc cc c ccccc ccccc ccc ccc ccccc cc ccccc cc ccc ccccc ccccc\\ ddd d ddd d ddd ddddd dddd d dddd dddd ddddd dddd ddd ddddd dd ddddd ddd dddd ddd dd dddd d ddddd ddddd dd dddd ddddd dddd ddddd dddd ddd dddd ddddd dd d ddddd dd ddddd ddd dd dd ddd d dd ddddd dddd dddd ddd dddd dddd d ddd ddd ddddd dddd ddd ddddd dddd ddddd ddd ddd dddd ddddd d dddd d dd ddddd ddd dd d dddd ddd d d ddd dddd ddddd ddddd d ddddd dddd ddddd dd ddd dddd dddd ddd dd d ddddd ddddd ddd ddd ddddd dd ddddd dd ddd ddddd ddddd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Where I assumed that alineas are separated by either an empty line or a tailing `\\' while paragraphs are separated by just an empty line. What you say (making distinct separation of paragraph for motion and of fillable-region) is more than what I needed, because I assumed that alineas and paragraphs are not completely separate things, as an alinea is always a subset of a paragraph. Concerning EUPP, after more thinking, I realized that alineas are not the good approach: actually I don't need any special filling but rather to disable filling in some occasions, and for that using the fill-paragraph-function is a better approach. So, for Org I will just install emacs-24 --- or at least the fill package, is it backward compatible with an emacs-23 ? Thanks for the feedback, Vincent. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vincent_Bela=EFche?= Subject: Re: Alinea filling (hanlding of explicit line-breaks) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:30:46 +0100 Message-ID: <80oc6e5mnt.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Org mode , emacs-devel@gnu.org Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vincent_Bela=EFche?= , Stefan Monnier List-Id: emacs-orgmode.gnu.org Hi, Good to see that I am not the only one needing that sort of things. Maybe an example is better to explain what I need, imagine that I have the following two paragraphs: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- aaa a aaa a aaa aaaaa aaaa a aaaa aaaa aaaaa aaaa aaa aaaaa aa aaaaa aaa aaaa aaa aa aaaa a aaaaa aaaaa aa aaaa aaaaa aaaa aaaaa aaaa aaa aaaa aaaaa aa a aaaaa aa aaaaa aaa aa aa aaa a aa aaaaa aaaa aaaa aaa aaaa aaaa a aaa aaa aaaaa aaaa aaa aaaaa aaaa aaaaa aaa aaa aaaa aaaaa a aaaa a aa aaaaa aaa aa a aaaa aaa a a aaa aaaa aaaaa aaaaa a aaaaa aaaa aaaaa aa aaa aaaa aaaa aaa aa a aaaaa aaaaa aaa aaa aaaaa aa aaaaa aa aaa aaaaa aaaaa\\ bbb b bbb b bbb bbbbb bbbb b bbbb bbbb bbbbb bbbb bbb bbbbb bb bbbbb bbb bbbb bbb bb bbbb b bbbbb bbbbb bb bbbb bbbbb bbbb bbbbb bbbb bbb bbbb bbbbb bb b bbbbb bb bbbbb bbb bb bb bbb b bb bbbbb bbbb bbbb bbb bbbb bbbb b bbb bbb bbbbb bbbb bbb bbbbb bbbb bbbbb bbb bbb bbbb bbbbb b bbbb b bb bbbbb bbb bb b bbbb bbb b b bbb bbbb bbbbb bbbbb b bbbbb bbbb bbbbb bb bbb bbbb bbbb bbb bb b bbbbb bbbbb bbb bbb bbbbb bb bbbbb bb bbb bbbbb bbbbb ccc c ccc c ccc ccccc cccc c cccc cccc ccccc cccc ccc ccccc cc ccccc ccc cccc ccc cc cccc c ccccc ccccc cc cccc ccccc cccc ccccc cccc ccc cccc ccccc cc c ccccc cc ccccc ccc cc cc ccc c cc ccccc cccc cccc ccc cccc cccc c ccc ccc ccccc cccc ccc ccccc cccc ccccc ccc ccc cccc ccccc c cccc c cc ccccc ccc cc c cccc ccc c c ccc cccc ccccc ccccc c ccccc cccc ccccc cc ccc cccc cccc ccc cc c ccccc ccccc ccc ccc ccccc cc ccccc cc ccc ccccc ccccc\\ ddd d ddd d ddd ddddd dddd d dddd dddd ddddd dddd ddd ddddd dd ddddd ddd dddd ddd dd dddd d ddddd ddddd dd dddd ddddd dddd ddddd dddd ddd dddd ddddd dd d ddddd dd ddddd ddd dd dd ddd d dd ddddd dddd dddd ddd dddd dddd d ddd ddd ddddd dddd ddd ddddd dddd ddddd ddd ddd dddd ddddd d dddd d dd ddddd ddd dd d dddd ddd d d ddd dddd ddddd ddddd d ddddd dddd ddddd dd ddd dddd dddd ddd dd d ddddd ddddd ddd ddd ddddd dd ddddd dd ddd ddddd ddddd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- after filling I wish that it would become ----------------------------------------------------------------------- aaa a aaa a aaa aaaaa aaaa a aaaa aaaa aaaaa aaaa aaa aaaaa aa aaaaa aaa aaaa aaa aa aaaa a aaaaa aaaaa aa aaaa aaaaa aaaa aaaaa aaaa aaa aaaa aaaaa aa a aaaaa aa aaaaa aaa aa aa aaa a aa aaaaa aaaa aaaa aaa aaaa aaaa a aaa aaa aaaaa aaaa aaa aaaaa aaaa aaaaa aaa aaa aaaa aaaaa a aaaa a aa aaaaa aaa aa a aaaa aaa a a aaa aaaa aaaaa aaaaa a aaaaa aaaa aaaaa aa aaa aaaa aaaa aaa aa a aaaaa aaaaa aaa aaa aaaaa aa aaaaa aa aaa aaaaa aaaaa\\ bbb b bbb b bbb bbbbb bbbb b bbbb bbbb bbbbb bbbb bbb bbbbb bb bbbbb bbb bbbb bbb bb bbbb b bbbbb bbbbb bb bbbb bbbbb bbbb bbbbb bbbb bbb bbbb bbbbb bb b bbbbb bb bbbbb bbb bb bb bbb b bb bbbbb bbbb bbbb bbb bbbb bbbb b bbb bbb bbbbb bbbb bbb bbbbb bbbb bbbbb bbb bbb bbbb bbbbb b bbbb b bb bbbbb bbb bb b bbbb bbb b b bbb bbbb bbbbb bbbbb b bbbbb bbbb bbbbb bb bbb bbbb bbbb bbb bb b bbbbb bbbbb bbb bbb bbbbb bb bbbbb bb bbb bbbbb bbbbb ccc c ccc c ccc ccccc cccc c cccc cccc ccccc cccc ccc ccccc cc ccccc ccc cccc ccc cc cccc c ccccc ccccc cc cccc ccccc cccc ccccc cccc ccc cccc ccccc cc c ccccc cc ccccc ccc cc cc ccc c cc ccccc cccc cccc ccc cccc cccc c ccc ccc ccccc cccc ccc ccccc cccc ccccc ccc ccc cccc ccccc c cccc c cc ccccc ccc cc c cccc ccc c c ccc cccc ccccc ccccc c ccccc cccc ccccc cc ccc cccc cccc ccc cc c ccccc ccccc ccc ccc ccccc cc ccccc cc ccc ccccc ccccc\\ ddd d ddd d ddd ddddd dddd d dddd dddd ddddd dddd ddd ddddd dd ddddd ddd dddd ddd dd dddd d ddddd ddddd dd dddd ddddd dddd ddddd dddd ddd dddd ddddd dd d ddddd dd ddddd ddd dd dd ddd d dd ddddd dddd dddd ddd dddd dddd d ddd ddd ddddd dddd ddd ddddd dddd ddddd ddd ddd dddd ddddd d dddd d dd ddddd ddd dd d dddd ddd d d ddd dddd ddddd ddddd d ddddd dddd ddddd dd ddd dddd dddd ddd dd d ddddd ddddd ddd ddd ddddd dd ddddd dd ddd ddddd ddddd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Where I assumed that alineas are separated by either an empty line or a tailing `\\' while paragraphs are separated by just an empty line. What you say (making distinct separation of paragraph for motion and of fillable-region) is more than what I needed, because I assumed that alineas and paragraphs are not completely separate things, as an alinea is always a subset of a paragraph. Concerning EUPP, after more thinking, I realized that alineas are not the good approach: actually I don't need any special filling but rather to disable filling in some occasions, and for that using the fill-paragraph-function is a better approach. So, for Org I will just install emacs-24 --- or at least the fill package, is it backward compatible with an emacs-23 ? Thanks for the feedback, Vincent.