From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Sebastien Vauban" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unuseful keybindings Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:24:56 +0100 Organization: Sebastien Vauban Message-ID: <80ehih3hlj.fsf@somewhere.org> References: <87sj73qzvl.fsf@gmail.com> <87623zquvw.fsf@gmail.com> <87ip7zdud3.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehiiu5x7.fsf@gnu.org> <876A7D1112084247AE53F7EE42B4587C@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1356211536 15862 80.91.229.3 (22 Dec 2012 21:25:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 21:25:36 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sat Dec 22 22:25:52 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TmWZl-0001XL-Fh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:25:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43713 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TmWZX-0000Qy-5n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:25:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59189) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TmWZP-0000Qi-UK for emacs-devel-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:25:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TmWZK-00079u-4C for emacs-devel-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:25:23 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54178) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TmWZJ-00079o-Tm for emacs-devel-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:25:18 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TmWZN-00018A-E6 for emacs-devel-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:25:21 +0100 Original-Received: from ip-83-101-44-240.customer.schedom-europe.net ([83.101.44.240]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:25:21 +0100 Original-Received: from wxhgmqzgwmuf by ip-83-101-44-240.customer.schedom-europe.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:25:21 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet-dbVV3NMTNubNLxjTenLetw@public.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-83-101-44-240.customer.schedom-europe.net X-Url: Under construction... X-Archive: encrypt User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.2.91 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+L+2pMb0NyeHWHyq1rB//1UgtXU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155782 Archived-At: Hi Drew, "Drew Adams" wrote: >> As for the keybinding, AFAICT that is becoming the >> standard "full screen" key in many applications; > > So what? Many applications are not Emacs. > > [...] > >> it is good to follow the convention. > > Stuff & nonsense. It is good to look out for Emacs - we are its guardians. It > lives in a world of chaos and convention. Neither the chaos nor any convention > has special pull, nor should it have. Let me first thank you for what you provide us with around Emacs world. Your packages are very useful to me. Though, I tend to disagree with the above. Just my opinion, not wanting any war with any of you. But, I must admit I like conventions, particularly when they're shared. I would have loved Emacs to share C-x/c/v rules for cut/copy/paste. I'd be glad there would be some common ground between all the applications out there. How many times do I press C-y in non-Emacs programs? I'd accept some uniformization between apps, even if not better grounded than "like the most popular app out there, now". I'm even telling against me, as F11 is bound to `undo' for me, right now... Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban