From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Reducing mouse-dependency In Emacs. Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:28:29 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <8011-Tue12Aug2003082828+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> References: <200308100342.h7A3gXV19877@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200308101650.h7AGovxS005131@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200308102309.h7AN9O420410@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200308111454.h7BEsTti008562@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200308120230.h7C2ULg21458@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1060668392 16264 80.91.224.253 (12 Aug 2003 06:06:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 12 08:06:31 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19mSIh-0007uq-00 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:06:31 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19mSQH-0008HB-00 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:14:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mSI9-0004cF-M1 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:05:57 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19mSHF-00047t-O1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:05:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19mSGh-0003qo-5i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:04:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mSGg-0000KP-Tn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:04:26 -0400 Original-Received: from aragorn.inter.net.il ([192.114.186.23]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mRoH-0003tC-69 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:35:05 -0400 Original-Received: from zaretski (pns03-209-21.inter.net.il [80.230.209.21]) by aragorn.inter.net.il (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.5-GR) with ESMTP id BFB82325; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:32:26 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 1.8.9 In-reply-to: <200308120230.h7C2ULg21458@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:30:21 -0500 (CDT)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:15898 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:15898 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:30:21 -0500 (CDT) > From: Luc Teirlinck > > 1. In the dired case, which is rather typical, the problem with > "mouse-2: visit this file in other window" is not just that it > mentions mouse-2 instead of `o', but also that it singles out this > particular command for documentation. The reason for that is that it > is bound to a mouse command and that the user has the mouse in hand > and hence the author knows that he wants to use a mouse command. > Plenty of help-echo's are in this category. I think the reason is that the command bound to mouse-2 is the single most important command at that spot: it allows you to edit the file at point. > 2. It seems that your suggestion would require plenty of work > rewriting `help-echo' properties. Not necessarily; we could do something similar to function-key-map, or some other means of redirection. We could arrange for this to be set up whenever some option is customized.