From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jari Aalto Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Transient Mark Mode on by default Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:18:31 +0200 Organization: Private Message-ID: <7ifl3n2w.fsf@blue.sea.net> References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324115510.GA1563@muc.de> <001f01c88dee$b7d48430$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <002301c88df5$5b61d020$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206783122 5546 80.91.229.12 (29 Mar 2008 09:32:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:32:02 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 29 10:32:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JfXQO-0007B0-Iu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:32:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JfXPm-0005qO-B6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:31:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JfXDG-0007GP-Pm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:18:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JfXDD-0007Fb-0F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:18:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JfXDC-0007FP-3Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:18:54 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JfXDB-0002lD-Gr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:18:53 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JfXD6-0007xa-Vt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:18:49 +0000 Original-Received: from a91-155-187-119.elisa-laajakaista.fi ([91.155.187.119]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:18:48 +0000 Original-Received: from jari.aalto by a91-155-187-119.elisa-laajakaista.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:18:48 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: a91-155-187-119.elisa-laajakaista.fi User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ib+VvOeKjejb78iCZR3Sab9Joa8= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93765 Archived-At: * Mon 2008-03-24 Drew Adams gmane.emacs.devel * Message-Id: 002301c88df5$5b61d020$c2b22382@us.oracle.com >> Most average developpers I know will simply never tweak any of the >> piece of software they use. > > and sooner or later users discover this and take advantage of it. > Some new users might take longer to discover that Young have more and more difficulties in concentrating and spending time in reading instructions. The majority does not customize anything. If the software lacks expected features (if not turned on by default), they move on to some other program. Many prefer nano(1) over Emacs, because it displays command help at the bottim -- no need to memorize anything. The customizations possibilities are only for the very few, because it requires certain amount of stamina; to understand by trial and error; to learn, which possibly spans over long perid of time. Today's generation is hard to convince to spend that time. Jari