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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 09:20:39 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7fbb8bc7-9a97-4bad-a103-a6690a35241d@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <834mdd6llx.fsf@gnu.org>

> The implementation should really be on the C level, like the
> case-folding support.  The current implementation isn't, and
> therefore has several disadvantages some of which were already
> pointed out (e.g., the regexp it uses that gets exposed in some
> situations and causes users to be surprised).

I would like to see a list of the disadvantages laid out clearly.

In general, I prefer that things be implemented in Lisp.
That leaves them far more open to Emacs users, and hence to
imagination and enhancement - which can often help Emacs
farther down the road.

Implementation in C makes great sense in some cases, but it
would help to see the detailed arguments (cases).

The argument that a complex, not-user-friendly, under-the-covers
regexp might sometimes get exposed to users is OK, but it is not
really compelling (for me).  Some users, in some case, might well
want to make use of such a regexp (e.g. tweaking it).  And we
might be able to find ways to not expose it for most uses.

(I don't reject the messy-regexp argument.  I just don't find it
sufficiently compelling on its own.)

> For these and other reasons, 

Can we see them, please?

> I also think we will be unable to move to the higher levels
> mentioned above without first moving the implementation into 
> search_buffer.

How so?  (Reasons.)

If there are important, e.g., performance reasons for coding
some functionality in C, can we at least try to limit it - do
that in component pieces rather than as a monolithic
take-it-or-leave-it whole?

I'm interested in maximizing what Lisp users can do with this,
other things being equal (IOW, use C only for what is absolutely
necessary).



  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-13 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 263+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-09 17:26 On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Artur Malabarba
2016-02-09 17:39 ` Pierpaolo Bernardi
2016-02-09 17:54   ` Paul Eggert
2016-02-10  0:49     ` Pierpaolo Bernardi
2016-02-10  2:20       ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-10  3:01         ` Pierpaolo Bernardi
2016-02-10  9:55           ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-10 18:12             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-10 19:23               ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-09 17:48 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-09 16:43   ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-09 17:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-09 17:10   ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-09 18:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-09 19:54   ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-09 20:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-10  1:58       ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-09 21:07     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-10  2:18       ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-10  2:52         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-10  2:56         ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-10 15:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-10 21:17           ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-11  3:39             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-12 22:36           ` Per Starbäck
2016-02-13  8:33             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 10:10               ` Markus Triska
2016-02-13 10:21                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 16:46           ` joakim
2016-02-11  0:54         ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-11  1:37           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12  0:50             ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-12  1:50               ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12  7:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-12  7:32                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12  8:44                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-12 10:03                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12 11:11                         ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-12 18:21                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12 12:00                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-12 18:42                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12 19:06                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-12 19:28                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12 23:57                               ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-13  0:06                                 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-13  8:49                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 17:20                                   ` Drew Adams [this message]
2016-02-13 17:58                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 19:15                                       ` John Wiegley
2016-02-18 20:12                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19  5:11                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-19  8:20                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19  9:22                                               ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-19 10:09                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 10:51                                                   ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-19 11:46                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 13:37                                                       ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-19 19:18                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-20  5:22                                                           ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-20  6:31                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-20  9:18                                                               ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-20 10:34                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21  2:51                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-21  6:28                                                                   ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-21  8:14                                                                     ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-23 16:56                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21 10:05                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-21 11:01                                                                       ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-21 16:02                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22  1:58                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-22  2:34                                                                           ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-22  2:48                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-22  6:13                                                                               ` Werner LEMBERG
2016-02-22 18:03                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 18:27                                                                                   ` Werner LEMBERG
2016-02-22 18:01                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 19:06                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-23 17:43                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-23 18:14                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-23 20:24                                                                                       ` Yuri Khan
2016-02-25 12:11                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-25 14:57                                                                                           ` Yuri Khan
2016-02-26 20:21                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-27  5:47                                                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2016-02-27 19:54                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-27 20:02                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-27 20:05                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-28 10:25                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-28  6:06                                                                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2016-02-24 13:41                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-24 17:54                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-25 12:15                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-25 12:38                                                                                             ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-25 22:43                                                                                               ` John Wiegley
2016-02-25 22:48                                                                                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-26 18:13                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-27  0:48                                                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2016-02-27  8:38                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-27  8:58                                                                                                       ` John Wiegley
2016-02-27  9:30                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-27 16:22                                                                                                           ` Ken Brown
2016-02-27 22:48                                                                                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-02-28 15:57                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-28 16:59                                                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2016-02-28 22:59                                                                                                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-29  0:22                                                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2016-02-29  0:31                                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-29  3:45                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-27 19:53                                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-27 20:01                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-28 10:24                                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-28 16:01                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                                                                           ` <<E1aZyX5-0007bU-Mu@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <<83oab0ako0.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-02-28 17:00                                                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2016-02-28 17:59                                                                                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-28 18:04                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-28 18:15                                                                                                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-28 18:23                                                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2016-02-28 18:46                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-28 18:22                                                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2016-02-28 18:58                                                                                                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-24 13:41                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-24 17:56                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-25 12:15                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-23 20:21                                                                                     ` Yuri Khan
2016-02-23 21:15                                                                                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-22 18:01                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 18:58                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-23  1:30                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-23 17:46                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-24  1:50                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-24  6:40                                                                                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2016-02-24 13:43                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-23  2:03                                                                               ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-23 17:46                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22  3:38                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22  3:57                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-22 16:10                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 18:58                                                                               ` John Wiegley
2016-02-23  7:50                                                                                 ` Per Starbäck
2016-02-23 16:29                                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2016-02-21 16:31                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21 16:58                                                                       ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-21 17:23                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21 18:48                                                                           ` Ivan Andrus
2016-02-22 15:58                                                                           ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2016-02-22 16:35                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 16:56                                                                               ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2016-02-22 17:24                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 17:59                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 18:57                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-23 17:43                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-23 18:03                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-24 13:41                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-23 17:43                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                                               ` <<E1aYGze-000655-RM@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-02-23 18:00                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-22 17:59                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 18:51                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-23  0:14                                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-23 17:11                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-24  0:16                                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-24 18:39                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-25  0:29                                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-25 16:24                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-29  0:22                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-29 16:27                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-29 23:40                                                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2016-03-01 16:44                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-26 20:23                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-21 16:25                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22  1:56                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-22  9:20                                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2016-02-23  1:46                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-23  3:38                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21 12:44                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-21 16:05                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 17:57                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 18:34                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-20  9:21                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-20 10:08                                                               ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-20 10:44                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 20:38                                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-19 22:44                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-19 22:54                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-20  5:25                                                   ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-20 14:32                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-20 15:50                                                       ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-21 12:45                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-20  8:09                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-20 14:32                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-24 23:27                                                     ` Rasmus
2016-02-25 20:46                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-13 18:15                                     ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-13 18:26                                       ` Drew Adams
2016-02-12 19:09                             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-12 19:39                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-13 15:32                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-13 15:40                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 16:58                           ` Andreas Schwab
2016-02-13 17:44                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 16:37                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-13 16:50                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 17:15                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-13 17:45                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 17:52                               ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-13 17:46                             ` andres.ramirez
2016-02-14 13:59                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-12 23:50                 ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-13  0:33                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-14 13:57                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-14 14:27                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-15 10:28                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-15 12:31                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-15 17:45                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-16 13:54                               ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-16 14:30                               ` Per Starbäck
2016-02-16 19:32                                 ` Ken Brown
2016-02-16 23:49                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-17 16:03                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-18  8:57                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-18 17:27                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 12:37                                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-19 18:31                                         ` John Wiegley
2016-02-17  8:00                                 ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-17 15:34                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-17 18:30                                     ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-17 19:30                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-17 20:26                                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-17 20:06                                     ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-17 20:15                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-17 22:58                                         ` Ken Brown
2016-02-18  0:03                                           ` Vinicius Latorre
2016-02-18 17:29                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18  4:55                                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-18 11:26                                           ` Filipp Gunbin
2016-02-18 17:26                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 12:30                                               ` Filipp Gunbin
2016-02-19 15:22                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 17:30                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-17 22:53                                     ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-18  0:11                                       ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-18  0:20                                         ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-18 17:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18  4:53                                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-18 17:07                                           ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-18 17:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19  7:40                                               ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-19 19:24                                                 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-20  5:05                                                   ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-20 13:59                                                     ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-19 20:47                                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-20 14:31                                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-18 17:46                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 18:18                                         ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-18 18:24                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 16:30                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-18 17:07                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 16:38                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-13 17:58                   ` Content navigation (was: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding) Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-13 16:32       ` On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-13 16:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 17:03           ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-10 13:52 ` Adrian.B.Robert
2016-02-24  9:58 ` Marcin Borkowski

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