From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:45:20 +0100 Organization: sometimes Message-ID: <7er7ibwmvj.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <7e4qf7yfgh.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111254789 27081 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 17:53:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 18:53:09 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCi8I-0006X6-Am for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:53:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCiP1-0002Xu-CF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:10:23 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!uio.no!quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 14 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ada2.unipv.it Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1111254319 6015 193.204.44.145 (19 Mar 2005 17:45:19 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:45:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5bXn7n/bVUplmeUqfOCljnOwZAw= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129416 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24971 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24971 PT writes: > Exactly. My heretic idea is to rethink the whole Emacs interface > (defaults, keybindings). Make the default Emacs very similary to > modern CUA-based applications. Give less reason for the newbies to > give up in disgust. everyone finds their own reason. though you can endeavor to be entertaining, you cannot make people see what they do not wish to see. for example, in this thread, i have tried to choose a partially aligned position in hopes of obliquely redirecting your enthusiasm, but i have failed. now i go do other things... thi