From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:33:34 +0100 Organization: sometimes Message-ID: <7ek6o2w7bl.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <87acozbp0v.fsf@informatik.uni-freiburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111340582 7726 80.91.229.2 (20 Mar 2005 17:43:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 20 18:43:02 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DD4Rv-0006G9-2L for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:42:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DD4iq-0005wu-UQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:00:20 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uio.no!quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 15 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ada2.unipv.it Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1111340014 11491 193.204.44.145 (20 Mar 2005 17:33:34 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:33:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:zDclWWhl+VYbofPIGsS6En7TWqQ= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129486 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25041 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25041 Brian Elmegaard writes: > Me too. But, the students I force to use emacs for simulation > (http://www.et.dtu.dk/software/dna) don't like it. if this software produces graphs or other images, you can display them in an emacs buffer. that is all the UI you will need to trick students into enjoying the fast edit cycle. lure them w/ (simulated ;-) interactivity. if you drop the request for a separate program for UI, perhaps emacs lisp programmers would be more inclined to contribute to the project (hint hint). the idea is to live in emacs when possible (i.e., all the time). thi