From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11460: 24.1.50; doc string of `assert' Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 18:42:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7ede7759-9cb9-42ab-9e2d-2917011eadb8@default> References: <796323B5CCA7479C83BB0DD5B731553A@us.oracle.com> <87bnyggbst.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87vbwnya3d.fsf@building.gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392000198 3901 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2014 02:43:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 11460@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 10 03:43:24 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgqB-00076O-IL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:43:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52973 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgqB-0007DV-7l for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:43:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33128) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgpz-0007DM-DL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:43:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgpq-0001rr-RI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:43:11 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47255) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgpq-0001rn-Ns for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:43:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgpq-0002t6-DT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:43:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11460 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 11460-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11460.139200017611087 (code B ref 11460); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 11460) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 02:42:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33041 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgpk-0002sl-2B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:42:56 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:47081) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgpi-0002sa-Lg for 11460@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:42:55 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s1A2gr08007172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:42:54 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1A2gqeC003869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:42:52 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1A2gqR6017753; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:42:52 GMT In-Reply-To: <87vbwnya3d.fsf@building.gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:85136 Archived-At: > > FWIW, this part of `cl-assert' is not only poorly documented, but > > it's poorly designed. And it doesn't have the excuse that it's > > inherited from Common Lisp. > > So I'd rather not document that mis-feature in any more detail. >=20 > Ok; closing. That is a cop-out. What has been uncovered is that instead of a minor, doc bug, there is a major bug. If you close this as being only the doc part, then you really should open a new bug for the whole problem: design, implementation, and doc. C'mon folks. It is not just about closing bugs. It is about recording problems that need fixing. And hopefully, one day, fixing them. It is quite distressing to see the reaction of "Ok; closing", if that is to be the only response. A bug should be recorded for this major problem, and left open until it is fixed.