From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 02:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <7edd3618-2f6f-4b64-afe2-b2e162eeb7ea@o8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1273161015 16087 80.91.229.12 (6 May 2010 15:50:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 15:50:15 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 06 17:50:14 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA3L3-0004pg-Jl for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:50:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45894 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OA3L2-0004Ok-UF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 11:50:13 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!o8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs Original-Lines: 152 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.102.12.87 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1273137552 12701 127.0.0.1 (6 May 2010 09:19:12 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.102.12.87; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/4.1.249.1064 Safari/532.5,gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:177974 comp.emacs:99808 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:73506 Archived-At: not sure you specifically want NTEmacs or if other emacs distro on Windows is fine. if you don't particularly care about a specific distro, here's few i know that works well for me: =E2=80=A2 official GNU Emacs build for Windows. http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/ just download, unzip, and use right there. No installation step needed. =E2=80=A2 EmacsW32+Eamcs http://www.ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html download the patched version. Then, run the installer. =E2=80=A2 ErgoEmacs http://ergoemacs.org/ download and run the installer. (disclaimer: me and David Capello made this one) you shouldn't worry about downloading multiple version of emacs that might interfere with each other. I have all the above three installed. as to what tricks might impress a new emacs user, maybe these pages are good ideas for you to pick from: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/ http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_fun.html Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84 -------------------------- On May 5, 10:18=C2=A0pm, dkco...@panix.com (David Combs) wrote: > A friend wants to install ntemacs on xp, and we're > not sure just how to do it. > > (I already have it, also on xp, but I sure don't want > to try doing it here, and screwing up the one I have > already got.) > > Anyway, here's the ntemacs home-page: > > -------------- this page is at: =C2=A0http://ntemacs.sourceforge.net/ > > =C2=A0ntemacs > Emacs CVS for W32 > (A SourceForge Project) > > Screenshot of ntemacs on Windows 7 > > CAUTION: Unofficial builds > Downloads =C2=A0- [7z SFX] > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 * CVS Emacs binary [23.1.50.1] - =C2=A0ntemacs23-bin-200909= 23.exe [md5sum: b1b5c33eea980127cf550e7f0f111e15] > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 * CVS Emacs source [23.1.50.1] - =C2=A0ntemacs23-src-200909= 23.exe [md5sum: 0655b73ecad2f365bc24e2492e45266b] > > Steel Bank Common Lisp > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 * SBCL release binary [1.0.32] - =C2=A0sbcl-1.0.32-x86-wind= ows-binary.msi [md5sum: 3d2fba2ae0c513a0ef912a862caee21b] > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 * SBCL release source [1.0.32] - =C2=A0sbcl-1.0.32-source.t= ar.bz2 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [md5sum: 95e1f683e307fa4cbf053db37fbd145= 6] > > Last updated: Oct 27, 2009 > > Now, he's downloaded both of those .exe-files -- says they ended up in > /downloads ok. =C2=A0But there are no instructions of what to do from > then on. > > (I am not at his site -- this is all by telephone conversation.) > > I myself am not a windows person, and don't quite understand > these .exe files -- some kind of self-executing wrapper around > what I (on solaris) would think of as xyz.tar.bz2 that > I'd explode into a whole tree of files. > > But, as I say, I don't want to try it on this PC (xp) because > doing that might screw up my perfectly-working ntemacs (v23). > > (How did I install it? =C2=A0I didn't -- knowing nothing about > windows (since '86 I've been using only Suns), someone > did it for me. > > =C2=A0AND, the version I got installed was a few months > =C2=A0BEFORE the October '09 date of the current ntemacs, > =C2=A0and I recall that back then there WERE some instructions, > =C2=A0and maybe it wasn't a single .exe-file -- a bit > =C2=A0more straightforward to do.) > > So, any hints you can give me that I can send on to him > would be a real help. > > THANKS! > > David > > PS: My idea is to turn him on to emacs -- have him first > do the RMS tutorial (C-h t) to master cursor movements, > idea of a buffer, "window", and region (nope, not there, > I gotta teach him that one), and then blow him away > with dired (and dired-x), M-x occur, M-x grep (well, > he's gotta get cygwin too, I guess), C-x 3, follow-mode, > fill-individual-paragraphs, dired-do-rename-regexp, wdired, > doctor (of course!), emacs-wiki, desktop-save & read, > rectangles, picture-mode, *info*, C-h, sort-paragraphs, > C-x 5, defun, "interactive", toggle-truncate-lines, > tabify and untabify, table-capture, kbd-macros, > how you "live" in emacs and *shell* (and *shell1* and > *shell-for-helping-joe*, etc), start up emacs and just > keep it up for days and days, > > PLUS > > any ideas you give me to impress someone on easy to execute > and explain -- nifty-features that, for someone who > sits in front of a terminal all day long, will save > him a HUGE amount of time (over using ONLY vi, say). > > Idea is to show him enough to excite him about emacs, > to demonstrate how much time > > ... getting him interested enough to spend time learning more > of it, eg via *info*. > > That's the idea, anyway. > > PS2: Any way via windows to have one screen we can > both type into (like with the dec20 twenex-command "advise"), > so I can type in stuff to emacs, he can watch, then > try it himself, and I can say "no, no, use the X key, > let me show you"? > > Again, the main problem is: how to INSTALL ntemacs > on his xp machine. > > (Why ntemacs, why not cygwin's emacs. =C2=A0Because ntemacs > works so much better screen-display-wise, that you > can't tell the difference from it and emacs on a Sun (sparc), > that's why.) > > Thanks again. > > David