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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257337 Archived-At: > The gain is explained in NEWS.27: When the minibuffer is active, echo-are= a > messages are displayed at the end of the minibuffer instead of hiding the > minibuffer by the echo area display. Yes, I know. That's a misfeature, IMO - a regression for users and libraries - but it was done on purpose. It should have continued to be possible for `message' to temporarily write to the echo area (yes, hiding the minibuffer temporarily), instead of being co-opted by the `minibuffer-message' behavior. Instead of having both behaviors possible, and thus usable for different purposes, they are collapsed into only the `minibuffer-message' behavior (write at the end of the minibuffer, instead of to the echo area).