From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Special Characters on Mac Emacs Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:25:51 +0100 Organization: sometimes Message-ID: <7ed5u71n8w.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> References: <399bktF5u12hpU1@individual.net> <87zmxc6sio.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> <87is3z7hey.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> <87psy75zdj.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1110472488 6988 80.91.229.2 (10 Mar 2005 16:34:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 10 17:34:48 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D9QXx-0000IL-60 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:30:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D9Qmr-0006Lx-CQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:45:25 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!LF.net!quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 14 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ada2.unipv.it Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1110471950 16830 193.204.44.145 (10 Mar 2005 16:25:50 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:25:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:xT3jJra00CrNkdUXmnjM/aK743Y= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129188 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24738 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24738 Peter Dyballa writes: > Isn't this about *development*, i.e. avoiding work-arounds, and not > about getting some help, including work-arounds? the best work-around is the one understood enough so that it becomes unnecesary, but that only happens if the control graph has a back edge. generally, to help the most, you try to help the earliest. you are not stuck in some proprietary software hell where earliest is artificially bounded. when you understand this, you may may come to consider that *everything* (impermanent ;-) is about "development", although it is known by many other names as well. thi