From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John ff Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Point" vs. "cursor" in documentation Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2018 00:03:14 +0100 Message-ID: <7ec6ad39-23b5-4d9c-8e7d-8ef1fd28b03c@codemist.co.uk> References: <037e45ba-ae4d-7aa7-bfa2-dd6a27aaff26@disroot.org> <863C33CF-82A6-43C3-8EE3-2082096C338B@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----DSQIHEGF2I4YXHXAYK5GHMNQ93UNLK" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1530745329 22540 195.159.176.226 (4 Jul 2018 23:02:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 23:02:09 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Android To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 05 01:02:05 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1faqmi-0005lr-Jl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2018 01:02:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49514 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1faqop-00076U-MI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 19:04:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59561) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1faqog-00076C-EB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 19:04:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1faqoc-0008Gu-Fy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 19:04:06 -0400 Original-Received: from west.codemist.co.uk ([217.155.197.248]:41700 helo=codemist.co.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1faqoc-0007Zf-8R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 19:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [172.16.4.29] by codemist.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1faqo0-0003U2-QR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2018 00:03:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Referenced-Uid: 11261 Thread-Topic: Re: "Point" vs. "cursor" in documentation X-Is-Generated-Message-Id: true X-ACL-Warn: No reverse lookup X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.155.197.248 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226947 Archived-At: ------DSQIHEGF2I4YXHXAYK5GHMNQ93UNLK Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Athletes! The memories! I used ITS over the ARPANET, for access to macsyma= =2E So different from Titan's online system=2E=2E=2E=2E =E2=81=A3Sent fro= m Blue =E2=80=8B On 4 Jul 2018, 23:33, at 23:33, Richard Stallman wrote: >[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please cons= ider ]]] >[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,= ]]] >[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example= =2E ]]] > > > I had no exposure to ITS and so have no knowledge of its his= tory > > or the tools that it offered=2E Was TECO truly its first editor?= > >Yes=2E PDP-10 TECO came before ITS=2E > >The PDP-10 was an upward-comp= atible improvement of the PDP-6=2E >The AI lab first got a PDP-6 and wrote = a TECO for it=2E > >The PDP-6 was not suitable for timesharing=2E So when = it got the >PDP-10, people immediately used TECO on that too, but they also= wrote >ITS=2E > >-- >Dr Richard Stallman >President, Free Software Founda= tion (https://gnu=2Eorg, https://fsf=2Eorg) >Internet Hall-of-Famer (https:= //internethalloffame=2Eorg) ------DSQIHEGF2I4YXHXAYK5GHMNQ93UNLK Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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