From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John S. Yates, Jr." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:54:04 -0500 Message-ID: <7e9mn3dc87sehrc2b880i2h6fp5h1724f9@4ax.com> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071231130712.GB8641@thyrsus.com> <20080101171120.GC3830@muc.de> <20080101193731.GA10056@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199250160 29566 80.91.229.12 (2 Jan 2008 05:02:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 02 06:02:59 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J9vkn-0004UI-CP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:02:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9vkR-0006QP-IO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:02:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9vkO-0006Q1-9o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:02:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9vkN-0006Pm-Gj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:02:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9vkN-0006Pj-Ca for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:02:31 -0500 Original-Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.40]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J9vkM-0002b9-Tb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:02:31 -0500 Original-Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y42L1Y0020cQ2SL0A03N00; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:02:29 +0000 Original-Received: from mail.yates-sheets.org ([24.218.183.253]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y52J1Y0015USsNo8W00000; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:02:20 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VfIdFTGxs40A:10 a=RoI9RcRHoTg9cCuAxo0A:9 a=79u_8u_pbEfIjaPdMfivGOGBBjAA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Original-Received: from [10.1.1.12] by mail (Axigen) with ESMTPA id 210DBE; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:56:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20080101193731.GA10056@thyrsus.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85855 Archived-At: On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:37:32 -0500, esr wrote: > Do you have any idea of the kind of horrible shite CVS can > land you in if you try something as basic as renaming a file? Speaking from experience on multiple projects, a pernicious CVS effect is to install a reluctance to rename. This is tantamount to banning any large scale refactoring. And that is ultimately extremely damaging to a long-lived code base under truly active development. /john