From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:42:38 +0100 Organization: sometimes Message-ID: <7e4qf7yfgh.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111236994 14564 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 12:56:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 13:56:33 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCdVF-0000vI-J3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:56:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCdlv-0004V6-NN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:13:43 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!uninett.no!uio.no!quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 14 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ada2.unipv.it Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1111236157 15808 193.204.44.145 (19 Mar 2005 12:42:37 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:42:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Q1u0EYxracooSecSTXuFQDZsGsM= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129385 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24940 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24940 PT writes: > Sigh. When some people sees how I work with Emacs they want to learn > it. The idea is to relieve the initial pain of meeting Emacs the > first time, so that they don't give it up in disgust, before they get > to know it better. at some point everyone gives up (perhaps in disgust) on something, instead of getting to know it better. for example, you do not use M-f and M-b, i do not use the menu- tool- or speed-bar, etc. the tricky question is how to guide newbies w/o poisoning them w/ prejudice. a lot of it depends on the attitude of the newbie w/ respect to newbiehood. thi