From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: beginner el form Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:57:26 +0200 Organization: sometimes Message-ID: <7e1x8sedm1.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> References: <7ebr7weqbn.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1114915181 31603 80.91.229.2 (1 May 2005 02:39:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 02:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 01 04:39:39 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DS4Mp-0005wR-I6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 04:39:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DS4TR-0004nV-J2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 22:46:25 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.belwue.de!LF.net!quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 12 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ada2.unipv.it Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1114858646 23525 193.204.44.145 (30 Apr 2005 10:57:26 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:57:26 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:QgDSR8FY7V/hOyKGkz2BmG1sW3Q= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:130569 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:26141 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:26141 Adam writes: > If anyone has any better suggestions, for a novice tinkering > away, they would be welcome. Gleaning meaningful info from the > debugger would seem to be a candidate for a newbie lesson. probably the best suggestion is to accept and enjoy the state of perpetual noviceness. true, it is fun to get old and cranky but it's also fun to get old and crazy. you can't get crazy if you know everything (or think you know everything ;-). thi