From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mathias Dahl Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Infrastructural complexity. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113008 Archived-At: K 2009/7/22, Thomas Lord : > On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 12:12 +0200, martin rudalics wrote: > >> > Tear-off menus and toolbar controllers are >> > commonly used (and are nice to use). >> >> And these can be implemented independently from window groups. >> >> > Those tiny windows could be modeled nicely, I >> > think, as framelets: frames with a non-nil parent. >> >> What is the parent of a frame? Not an Emacs concept, I presume. > > It is a concept I'm trying to persuade people > to use *instead of* window groups. I think > that window groups are too complicated and that > they add generality of dubious, perhaps negative > utility. > > With the change I'm proposing, frames gain > a new slot - a parent slot - whose value is > either nil or another frame. Elisp programs > can *not* modify this slot arbitrarily. > > No frame with a non-nil parent slot can itself > be parent to another frame (at least not initially) > thus nesting is limited to one level. > > Frames with non-nil parent slots can be created as > pop-ups that can be torn off. Additionally, each > frame with a nil parent slot has four children that > share its same window system window. (See my earlier > message with the Subject line "16 (Re: ...)".) > > When a parent frame is minimized or deleted, it's > child frames are also minimized or deleted. > > This is a cleaner way, imo, to accomplish what > window groups are trying to accomplish. > > -t > > > > > --=20 Skickat fr=E5n min mobila enhet