From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Mathias Dahl" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:14:38 +0100 Message-ID: <7dbe73ed0802200814k4164eb10ic3275c3c277da59a@mail.gmail.com> References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203524100 18360 80.91.229.12 (20 Feb 2008 16:15:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Sascha Wilde , Emacs Devel To: "Juanma Barranquero" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 20 17:15:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JRrbL-0006rj-4s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrap-0004Dp-U0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:14:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrak-0004CQ-CQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:14:42 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrai-0004B9-Hm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:14:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrai-0004B6-CC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:14:40 -0500 Original-Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.178]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JRrai-00036Z-5r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:14:40 -0500 Original-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so1349852ele.10 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:14:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=I3BDGNXe9v6JLG6SkAlIif0f9IGp2pNUrVscEu327HY=; b=o/GzzRgvv/sabFxUf9JOwNyy9RCyWfRCLCGsgnMngSg8ofcyBXhcYuApalNftDzgytwtFBthHLV7QV6Cx3Vry+qqwtNBeuZRc5EvvsOBhPS8RYStWT8PjKX6rvHnCo0tKKQTPPZJAhvbsnnsmZBKWWUC0+615ikmlJl8qAzTLfo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VIt0/U3LAG2iEl40WucJ252kaOsnECWVz37Q1Zi+XeLYRruqV0lj8mwDLJe4L+Ckn4M5RzsLtHSBI64a2MUCQzfZ77tCLvmx5HwhIh3xJclSEZT/rsVbCAgK2dmey5L1IznGHXxmsCwKT+YNLoX8+slWAvEiFtVo3DhrFYZBD0c= Original-Received: by 10.114.67.2 with SMTP id p2mr7884494waa.1.1203524078758; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:14:38 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.114.147.8 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:14:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89695 Archived-At: > IMO, defaults should be choosen, if possible, so the behavior is what > most new users would expect. An experienced user will research how to > deactivate something that he doesn't like. A newbie will perhaps just > give up. I agree, and this has happened to at least two colleagues, people I know would have liked Emacs if they just had hung in there a little longer. I have been able to convince one of them that Emacs is the way to go by showing him some killer features, and he is now happily Emacsing along. The other colleague gave up when C-c/v/x did not do what he expected. He said he became to stressed when the app did not behave like he was used to, and he felt it interfered with his work. Anyway, I would not go as far as saying that CUA should be on by default, because I think that generates other problems. I guess my point is that a lot of people give up more easily today so good defaults are important.