From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Mathias Dahl" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The splash screens Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:57:16 +0200 Message-ID: <7dbe73ed0708190857p7f6b6700wb61753e0ee889c9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7dbe73ed0708170358u3779fcebj2be02c03ebf1ac55@mail.gmail.com> <871we1olkn.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1187539046 6449 80.91.229.12 (19 Aug 2007 15:57:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:57:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Juri Linkov" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 19 17:57:24 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IMn9Y-0002at-6O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:57:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMn9X-0006yx-FR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:57:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IMn9U-0006yf-ER for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:57:20 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IMn9T-0006x9-2D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:57:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMn9S-0006x6-TM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:57:18 -0400 Original-Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.185]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IMn9T-0005q4-2y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:57:19 -0400 Original-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so765491rvf for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 08:57:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NC7o7LAPrQqUekEqylztrHi8JZIfACM7MxsPo9AM0UEgPbjISRlNJSOe5kvl7HhzdK57kAduXazQXMdoI33AS6sGjpxXXsv13lx/JeYD4WotFfOCQOdfEIWk3ouTxtTsPU10/J5gE4ESy9S/XJXAtzhk4wyh5NL3ZU7VX0xXK8s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YzpIA8pMhdnLObMy7yLKwvNpbY3hw/dLkCrrIrTs8fSh4agK7TMDDg8PTHH+jgs5OX5lijUs/MnIU0v8qfKafBekdh+0N73V8qJ1GgI57XfdV2KlikB4u5AEmu8XYetAU+gVPa6TcUGoRgFWsr2ebCUykdw0fpVz3qZs6/Bg+QI= Original-Received: by 10.141.99.4 with SMTP id b4mr2190659rvm.1187539036946; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 08:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.141.172.10 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 08:57:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <871we1olkn.fsf@jurta.org> Content-Disposition: inline X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:76760 Archived-At: > > 3. Do we really need to mention Useful File menu items? A user will > > find Exit Emacs easily enough and Recover Crashed Session is kind of > > self explaining as well. Removing this section would bring the Useful > > tasks more into focus. > > Or we can move the "Useful tasks" section before the "Useful File menu" > section. Yes, that would work too, and ensure that the userful tasks be more visible. > > 4. I think we could move the following to the bottom: > > > > Absence of Warranty > > Copying Conditions > > Getting New Versions > > More Manuals / Ordering Manuals > > Yes, after the copyright line. Yes, I think it would fit well there. > Actually there are three different startup (and About) screens: > > 1. for graphic displays > 2. for terminals with mouse available > 3. for terminals without mouse > > There are no bindings printed if the user can select menu items > using the mouse. I think this is bad. I have a mouse and use it for "mousy" things, but Emacs is very keyboard centric, so why not always display the bindings? > I agree that the graphic screen should be shorter. Yes, or at least we could move the lines around to get focus on what a new user needs the most. Are we the only ones that have an opinion on this? :) Or, is maybe the focus on these things in the never ending *scratch*-thread?