From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Mathias Dahl" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:37:00 +0200 Message-ID: <7dbe73ed0607170737l70ec17c8p435a50d1d2d68890@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060715221432.GA1252@muc.de> <20060716090816.GA1167@muc.de> <20060717094418.GC1234@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153147050 27225 80.91.229.2 (17 Jul 2006 14:37:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Richard Stallman , drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 17 16:37:26 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2UDm-0002Vs-Kh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:37:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2UDm-0003FQ-6U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:37:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2UDa-0003FB-BT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:37:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2UDW-0003Eq-U3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:37:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2UDW-0003En-P0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.233.182.189] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2UGC-0000uP-Uv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:39:49 -0400 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l24so819108nfc for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:37:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Jmj/W7+KtyAFVtxM4fPQBa//E3NG/4y1XXv971OkLPp3V0LvzF3TA5xaezkQmhsluOJmC6r3emGkrAgzES3uZFqmGt0t6+h88GdX+OKFK2oAIgldzm7yKBtcpCKICtTASRyr6/bfy0lsJ0gRgNwlWzBXrNw0suohbNR6NUXfe30= Original-Received: by 10.48.1.4 with SMTP id 4mr1018635nfa; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.48.255.2 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: "Sascha Wilde" In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57182 Archived-At: > It's not primary about technologically > ... > it's about teaching beginners how to use emacs (or in this case info) > in an efficient way. This "efficiency" argument comes up over and over again and I think that should not be priority 1 here. I am all for doing things in as efficient manner as possible (one thing Emacs is very good at) but we should not risk scaring users by introducing unfamiliar things at the early stages. Let efficiency come later. If I were to introduce someone for Emacs, say by creating a small .emacs file for them to ease things up, I would have added `cua-mode' to that file, even though I don't use it myself (I would like to have known about it when I first started). If this user likes Emacs I am sure he/she will sooner or later switch to whatever is most efficient for him/her. So: 1. Make it easy for a beginner to find information and learn how to use Emacs. 2. Hint on how to do things more "efficient" (there are many opinions on what is most efficient).