From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Mathias Dahl" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:16:46 +0200 Message-ID: <7dbe73ed0607161516y5a860e09v2abd8cf3f9f98765@mail.gmail.com> References: <87r70l2xza.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153088227 1113 80.91.229.2 (16 Jul 2006 22:17:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 17 00:17:05 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2Ev9-0002nH-VM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:17:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2Ev9-0000uJ-9a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:17:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2Euw-0000su-4H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:16:50 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2Euu-0000se-Hl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:16:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2Euu-0000sb-Cl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:16:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.233.182.191] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2ExR-0005jQ-3a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:19:25 -0400 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l24so639185nfc for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:16:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K37pTg/lyQeTrqtYClbLY3En6whPxVDTaLKOFdUWritkiTQopbHneh72FTmnCYLWbEC5Uc/CCGdqNE10PVAxlYtXNdhZVCPxSMfCeldpQ3SHI55dlU1XE0eTs+TTJYXgE2Y+HwbTOtMhBDrlzQtGIzirov/c1tz3iWFr2iXVFKs= Original-Received: by 10.48.202.19 with SMTP id z19mr1447434nff; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.48.248.13 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: belanger@truman.edu In-Reply-To: <87r70l2xza.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57124 Archived-At: > > Newbies are overwhelmingly used to using a mouse. Let them do that while > > they get the basics of Info. > > Once they're used to it, they're less likely to change. If the main point is to teach new users how to use Info and Emacs through it, I think we should concentrate on doing that in the way that we think is easiest for *them*, not us. I am willing to "risk" (what harm would it do, really?) that a user continues to use the mouse, as long as he continues to use Emacs. They might later learn how to do the same things using the keyboard and maybe that change if they like that better.