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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321007 Archived-At: On 01/07/2024 13:47, Po Lu wrote: >>> In my view, having considered this discussion in full, the benefits of >>> adding these key bindings, favored by several developers, therefore >>> outweigh the perceived drawbacks. > > Used by one. Favored by several who probably have not formed strong > opinions in either direction, as did the ingenuous respondents to the > Time magazine poll mentioned here: > > https://www.commentary.org/articles/robert-myers/the-study-of-man-opinion-polls-and-public-policy/ Your stats are off. >>> - The proposal is to add global bindings, which AFAIU means that they >>> will not affect people that are binding these keys to something else >>> (whether globally or in specific modes). > > You state that it does not, but this has been disputed three times over > in this thread alone (and again in the first paragraph), no one having > so much as acknowledged the disagreement, let alone pretended seriously > to offer a rebuttal. No it wasn't.