From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs@gmail.com>
To: Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org,
Nathaniel Cunningham <nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: searchable refcard?
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:44:36 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7bef1f890811271844o5231d38ct13e1a0bf14c851c9@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <395BE353-F89F-413A-8045-210F885864F3@uva.nl>
I think I can do this. Before I make a decision, it seems terribly
important to understand what is a "searchable refcard." I answered
the original post in part because the term was unclear to me. A
"refcard" is something I print out on a sheet and reference as needed.
You are referring then to a searchable reference accessible as an org
file? Similar to what I posted to the list? What would make this
file more searchable?
I apologize if my questions seem impertinent. I would be willing to
clean up and provide a file "org-help.org" periodically, as changes
occurred in orgcard.tex. Even better, if I can see a way to extract
this information from the source, it would be possible to keep it more
up to date.
Alan
On 11/28/08, Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>
> the refcard is done by hand, a lot of fiddling goes into
> fitting all this info on two pages. And don't want to
> keep two versions.
>
> That said, my refcard is incomplete due to space constraints, and it
> may be worth to do a better one, searchable, in Org. Maybe you would
> like to maintain it?
>
> This is little work, you can just look at the changes in the
> orgcard.tex file - basically it never changes, or hardly ever.
>
> - Carsten
>
> I
> On Nov 27, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>
>> I hope I don't make a nuisance of myself by responding to this. I
>> posted at some earlier date about my idea of making an org-help file
>> "help.org" that I can call up with a keystroke. This is an
>> extension of the texinfo concept, perhaps, or a subset of it.
>>
>> I think this would best be done in texinfo, and generate a rough
>> equivalent of the refcard's contents (keybindings reference and
>> brief notes), separate from the org mode info document. I looked
>> at texinfo, and even though I can write fairly sophisticated
>> material in LaTeX, texinfo looks daunting enough to discourage me
>> from trying.
>>
>> For now, I have borrowed the idea of publishing a text refcard, but
>> in org-mode. The reference card is then folded in outline format.
>> I have been doing the converstion by hand from orgcard.tex, by using
>> the untex command to generate a rough text file, and then taking
>> several passes through the file to setup headlines and format the
>> lines. This can all be done in one or two steps, with a short elisp
>> function, but I haven't had the time to brush up on elisp (I notice
>> it's a moving target, as well).
>>
>> The upshot for now may be a kludge, but it's extremeliy useful on a
>> day to day basis. See help.org, attached. No warantees implied.
>>
>> That brought me to the question of how is the refcard written and
>> kept up to date? Possibly from other files in the org repository?
>> Or is it separately written up each time? It is usually up to date
>> with the newest version of org-mode, at least insofar as the version
>> number.
>>
>> With apologies,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Sebastian Rose
>> <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Hi Nathaniel,
>>
>>
>> I don't know what causes this trouble, but I faced this sometimes with
>> LaTeX generated PDFs. Might be an encoding problem or what ever.
>>
>>
>> The LaTeX sources are available at repo.or.cz, as is the entire Org-
>> mode
>> package:
>>
>> http://repo.or.cz/w/org-mode.git?a=blob;f=doc/orgcard.tex;h=8e2cbe0d76f9b71997c106982911b144ed5eff2f;hb=HEAD
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>> "Nathaniel Cunningham" <nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com> writes:
>> > Greetings,
>> > I can't search the PDF version of the org-mode refcard (in a
>> couple of
>> > different apps on Mac OS X). I can match single-character
>> strings, and it
>> > appears that my reader apps see spaces between e v e r y s i n g l
>> e c h a r
>> > a c t e r, which causes my trouble. (Not a typical problem I have
>> with
>> > these apps.)
>> >
>> > Is a more search-friendly version, or the (presumably LaTeX)
>> source, of the
>> > refcard available?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Nathaniel
>> > [please include me ( nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com ) on any
>> replies, as
>> > I'm not a member of this list]
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>>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-11-28 2:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-11-27 1:21 searchable refcard? Nathaniel Cunningham
2008-11-27 10:07 ` Sebastian Rose
2008-11-27 12:17 ` Alan E. Davis
2008-11-27 15:55 ` Carsten Dominik
2008-11-28 2:44 ` Alan E. Davis [this message]
2008-11-30 8:54 ` Carsten Dominik
2008-12-01 12:56 ` Alan E. Davis
2008-12-01 13:06 ` Carsten Dominik
2008-12-01 14:38 ` Sebastian Rose
2008-12-02 8:33 ` Carsten Dominik
2008-12-02 12:28 ` Sebastian Rose
2008-12-02 13:01 ` Carsten Dominik
2008-12-02 14:35 ` Sebastian Rose
2008-11-28 7:06 ` Nathaniel Cunningham
2008-12-03 20:40 ` Samuel Wales
2008-12-04 8:10 ` Carsten Dominik
2008-12-11 3:42 ` Samuel Wales
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